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April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
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Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.

If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.
Hate to break it to you but calories in and out does account for hormonal function and dysfunction, actually everything is accounted for on the out side of the EBE.


how does calories in vs calories out account for anything other than calories?

It just not take into account anything other than the energy value of the food. I think energy in vs energy out would be a better description of weight gain/loss.


A calorie is a unit of energy. It's not only relating to food, it's just most commonly used in reference to food. It takes other things into account because say you have a hormonal imbalance that makes you use less energy (need less calories if you will), weight loss will still result in eating less than you need. Period.

*Edited because I suck at sentence structure.
Edited by iamkass On April 25, 2013 6:23 AM
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April 25, 2013 6:13 AM
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As for storing fat, I call BS.

However,carbs on their own are really easy to eat. I can easily eat a bag of apples and still be hungry for more - despite being uncomfortably stuffed. Helps to eat it with something, like cottage cheese or some kinda nut butter. Or bacon.


bacon.... yummmmmmmmmmmm!!
April 25, 2013 6:14 AM
I think it's come from advice intended for people with diabetes or prediabetes, who have to watch the GI value of food (glycaemic index, i.e. how quickly sugar gets into the blood) If you consume high GI carbs with protein, it slows down the rate that the sugar gets into your blood, i.e. it makes them lower GI. The GI values only apply if you eat that food in isolation. So, if you have difficulties with blood sugar and you want a high calorie treat, have it as part of a meal, not as a snack in isolation.

As for advice for a healthy person without these issues... well it's not a good idea to constantly stuff your face with processed sugar (which tends to have a very high GI) and never eat protein, but really.... you can't have any carbs at all without protein....? huh better build a time machine and warn all the Homo erectuses that they must always eat meat at the same time as they eat fruit or veg, otherwise Homo sapiens will never evolve.....

Too many people out there trying to peddle fat loss plans, and they all want their little gimmick, their special magic piece of information that "everyone else" doesn't know about, to make it look like they have a secret and make you buy their ebook or whatever they're peddling.
Edited by neandermagnon On April 25, 2013 6:15 AM
April 25, 2013 6:14 AM
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For me personally, if I eat just fruit for a snack, I wind up hungry again in short order. Two apples 160 calories and I'm hungry again in short order. One apple and a cheese stick, same 160 calories and I'm not hungry again for quite a while.

This is the only reason I have protein or fat or fiber with my carbohydrates. It only affects my weightloss in as much as I'll be hungry when I don't need the calories or the nutrition and will sabotage my calorie deficit.


Ditto this. I am an RN in a very busy emergency department. I literally do not sit down unless it is to pee or shove food in my face. If I take 5 minutes to eat just an apple or just some sort of fruit, I'm going to be super hungry again in 20 minutes. If I have that piece of fruit with some cheese, cottage cheese, or nuts, I'm good for at least 2 hours. Regardless of what and what isn't a diet "myth" you have to listen to your body and do what is best for YOU. For every poster here who says it's a myth and can back it up with books and studies, there is an equal number of posters who can say it is not a myth and back it up with books and science. So just do what works for you.
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April 25, 2013 6:16 AM
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Fat storage=calories in> calories out.
Fat loss =calories in < calories out.
It's a myth. Fat gain/loss is SIMPLE.

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^ This. Or we're all doing it all wrong. LOL
April 25, 2013 6:19 AM
The word 'never' is the problem. I like to have protein and fat with my carbs, to slow down digestion, lower the blood glucose peak, and keep me feeling full longer.
April 25, 2013 6:23 AM
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For me personally, if I eat just fruit for a snack, I wind up hungry again in short order. Two apples 160 calories and I'm hungry again in short order. One apple and a cheese stick, same 160 calories and I'm not hungry again for quite a while.

This is the only reason I have protein or fat or fiber with my carbohydrates. It only affects my weightloss in as much as I'll be hungry when I don't need the calories or the nutrition and will sabotage my calorie deficit.


Ditto this. I am an RN in a very busy emergency department. I literally do not sit down unless it is to pee or shove food in my face. If I take 5 minutes to eat just an apple or just some sort of fruit, I'm going to be super hungry again in 20 minutes. If I have that piece of fruit with some cheese, cottage cheese, or nuts, I'm good for at least 2 hours. Regardless of what and what isn't a diet "myth" you have to listen to your body and do what is best for YOU. For every poster here who says it's a myth and can back it up with books and studies, there is an equal number of posters who can say it is not a myth and back it up with books and science. So just do what works for you.


Exactly!
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April 25, 2013 6:24 AM
I would eat either fat or protein with carbs, but purely for the reason that I never seem to feel very full on things that are high in carbs, but low in fat and protein. I could over eat a LOT on high carb foods, but not really fat and protein and it satisfies me much more.

I don't know the science behind it, if it actually makes any difference.
April 25, 2013 6:26 AM
I live with hypoglycemia. I do have to watch it with the carbs but only if I eat a carb-heavy meal and then go a very long time without consuming anything. If I eat all carbs, I will grab something protein within a couple hours and not have any problems. I know I'm just one person, but that's the way it is with hypoglycemia. I do eat enough protein over the course of a day that I don't have problems at all anymore.

As for fat, myth.
April 25, 2013 6:34 AM
The thing that is confusing a lot of people is that the question was about fat. We aren't talking fullness or sugar or happiness or rainbows.

If me and my exact clone eat the same food but I decide to eat balanced meals (with a healthy balance of macros) and my clone decides to eat the same foods but one macro at a time, in terms of weight loss it does not make a difference. Calories in need to be less than calories out.

Sure, my clone might be grumpy, not feel full as much, be more tired, have horns growing out of her head, whatever.. doesn't mean anything in terms of weight loss other than the fact that maybe my clone would be more likely to binge.

*Edited because my clone would be a female, not a male.
Edited by iamkass On April 25, 2013 6:35 AM
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April 25, 2013 7:13 AM
So nobody agrees? lol. I usually try and have some protein with my carbs as well, but I was wondering for the odd day when I have oatmeal in the morning and no protein with it.
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April 25, 2013 7:14 AM
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April 25, 2013 7:16 AM
Spikes in blood glucose are normal after consuming a meal. Diabetes is a special case though, and protein may help. Then again, different foods are digested differently, see William Howard Hay. My own meals show no particular pattern, lol.

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For me personally, if I eat just fruit for a snack, I wind up hungry again in short order. Two apples 160 calories and I'm hungry again in short order.


This discomfort could be withdrawal rather than hunger. Some foods digest faster than others. When digestion is ending and you enter fasting, people who eat processed food can experience withdrawal at this time, which they may interpret as hunger.
April 25, 2013 7:16 AM
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So nobody agrees? lol. I usually try and have some protein with my carbs as well, but I was wondering for the odd day when I have oatmeal in the morning and no protein with it.


I often have steel cut oatmeal with some fruit for breakfast. Keeps me full as long if not longer than eggs, toast and a breakfast meat. Must be the fiber.
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April 25, 2013 7:23 AM
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So nobody agrees? lol. I usually try and have some protein with my carbs as well, but I was wondering for the odd day when I have oatmeal in the morning and no protein with it.
Well, if your taking this seriously then I'll point out that many natural carb sources has protein attached, so were naturally eating the combination of carbs and protein, crazy but true.
Edited by neanderthin On April 25, 2013 7:27 AM
April 25, 2013 11:20 AM
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my mom is a dietician and she advocates this all the time.

the idea is that carbs, really starches, will spike your insulin levels when eaten on an empty stomach. protein will level off your insulin so u wont spike if you eat starch at the same time as the protein.

bc i do enjoy starches on my diet ie multigrain high fiber bread here and there, and multigrain/whole wheat pastas, I always make sure I eat them with a protein and veggie and never alone.

one of my fave treats are chocolate covered raisins, but i only eat a few AFTER I eat my dinner


You are obviously not aware that protein is just as insulinogenic as carbs? (or starches) And that veggies are carbs?


obviously...
October 18, 2013 1:31 PM
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Edited by rachelchaney On October 18, 2013 1:34 PM

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