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April 24, 2013 2:53 PM
Ok I read about this. Basically, that if you eat carbs on their own without any protein, you'll be more likely to store fat than to burn it.

Is it just another myth/
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April 24, 2013 3:02 PM
Interesting...never heard of it but am intrigued to hear the answers
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April 24, 2013 5:23 PM
my mom is a dietician and she advocates this all the time.

the idea is that carbs, really starches, will spike your insulin levels when eaten on an empty stomach. protein will level off your insulin so u wont spike if you eat starch at the same time as the protein.

bc i do enjoy starches on my diet ie multigrain high fiber bread here and there, and multigrain/whole wheat pastas, I always make sure I eat them with a protein and veggie and never alone.

one of my fave treats are chocolate covered raisins, but i only eat a few AFTER I eat my dinner
April 24, 2013 5:26 PM
Fat storage=calories in> calories out.
Fat loss =calories in < calories out.
It's a myth. Fat gain/loss is SIMPLE.
April 24, 2013 7:09 PM
Good explanation by previous poster... the relationship to fat is not significant as the relationship to blood sugar. You can be thin and still have issues processing carbs. My dietician said this was critical when I had gestational diabetes... no carbs without protein, too.
April 24, 2013 8:31 PM
QUOTE:

Fat storage=calories in> calories out.
Fat loss =calories in < calories out.
It's a myth. Fat gain/loss is SIMPLE.

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April 24, 2013 8:33 PM
If you are diabetic or have hypoglycemia problems you should avoid it as it spikes and then drops blood sugar levels.

But no, this doesn't make you fat, it just messes with your blood sugar levels.
April 24, 2013 8:33 PM
QUOTE:

my mom is a dietician and she advocates this all the time.

the idea is that carbs, really starches, will spike your insulin levels when eaten on an empty stomach. protein will level off your insulin so u wont spike if you eat starch at the same time as the protein.

bc i do enjoy starches on my diet ie multigrain high fiber bread here and there, and multigrain/whole wheat pastas, I always make sure I eat them with a protein and veggie and never alone.

one of my fave treats are chocolate covered raisins, but i only eat a few AFTER I eat my dinner


You are obviously not aware that protein is just as insulinogenic as carbs? (or starches) And that veggies are carbs?
April 24, 2013 8:39 PM
As for storing fat, I call BS.

However,carbs on their own are really easy to eat. I can easily eat a bag of apples and still be hungry for more - despite being uncomfortably stuffed. Helps to eat it with something, like cottage cheese or some kinda nut butter. Or bacon.
April 24, 2013 9:19 PM
Not a myth.
Its kinda the same idea that the Zone diet is based off of. Carbs release insulin from your pancreas which lowers blood sugar by storing them in your cells (if not used stored as fat) while protein release glucagon from your pancreas causing increased blood sugar (releasing stored carbs). If you can balance the two then you prevent the fat storage and go into fat burning!

I know this is very scientific but it is totally something to look into. i hope this helps
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April 24, 2013 9:27 PM
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As for storing fat, I call BS.

However,carbs on their own are really easy to eat. I can easily eat a bag of apples and still be hungry for more - despite being uncomfortably stuffed. Helps to eat it with something, like cottage cheese or some kinda nut butter. Or bacon.


This. Eating carbs without any protein or fats to go along is like giving my body a carb 'warm-up' before the main carb event that I'll be craving 20 minutes later. Tonight I ate a crap load of broccoli, and still felt hungry around 15 minutes after eating it, so I ate a burrito. And then the fullness hit me like a freight train sick
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April 24, 2013 9:32 PM
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

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After meals, fat is deposited with the help of insulin. However, between meals and during sleep, fat is lost. Fat balance will be zero over a 24-hour period if energy intake matches energy expenditure.
April 25, 2013 12:54 AM
Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.

If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.
April 25, 2013 3:22 AM
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Not a myth.
Its kinda the same idea that the Zone diet is based off of. Carbs release insulin from your pancreas which lowers blood sugar by storing them in your cells (if not used stored as fat) while protein release glucagon from your pancreas causing increased blood sugar (releasing stored carbs). If you can balance the two then you prevent the fat storage and go into fat burning!

I know this is very scientific but it is totally something to look into. i hope this helps


It's a myth. I know my response isn't very scientific either but ins caloric deficit you will lose weight.
April 25, 2013 4:06 AM
It's fairly challenging to eat carbs without getting some protein in there, with the exception of eating/drinking sugar.

I usually try to have some protein in all of my meals, in order to hit my goals, but if I just sat down and had some rice (still has protein in it) it's not the end of the world.
April 25, 2013 4:11 AM
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Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.

If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.
Hate to break it to you but calories in and out does account for hormonal function and dysfunction, actually everything is accounted for on the out side of the EBE.
April 25, 2013 4:22 AM
I throw protein at carbs simply for the purpose of slowing down digestion so I'm not craving later. That's all though...not because I think weightloss is better unless you want to take into account I eat less because I dont crave 20min later with added protein..now ya talking weightloss.
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April 25, 2013 4:57 AM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.

If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.
Hate to break it to you but calories in and out does account for hormonal function and dysfunction, actually everything is accounted for on the out side of the EBE.


how does calories in vs calories out account for anything other than calories?

It just not take into account anything other than the energy value of the food. I think energy in vs energy out would be a better description of weight gain/loss.
April 25, 2013 5:07 AM
I think people like to make eating more complicated than it needs to be.

Eat a balance (carbs/protein) of real foods (veg/meat) and try to ease off the foods from a factory. Follow those general guidelines, and you'll be OK.
Edited by melsinct On April 25, 2013 5:07 AM
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April 25, 2013 5:12 AM
For me personally, if I eat just fruit for a snack, I wind up hungry again in short order. Two apples 160 calories and I'm hungry again in short order. One apple and a cheese stick, same 160 calories and I'm not hungry again for quite a while.

This is the only reason I have protein or fat or fiber with my carbohydrates. It only affects my weightloss in as much as I'll be hungry when I don't need the calories or the nutrition and will sabotage my calorie deficit.
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April 25, 2013 5:57 AM
Sorry, I'm new here and do not know what EBE stands for? I respectfully disagree with you, dismissing the whole realm of biochemistry into a basic mathematic algorithm doesn't much sense to me. It's a harmful oversimplification but I'll digress.
April 25, 2013 6:04 AM
QUOTE:

Ok I read about this. Basically, that if you eat carbs on their own without any protein, you'll be more likely to store fat than to burn it.

Is it just another myth/


I would have to say in my own experience, this is definitely the truth. Also, this is what is recommended in the south beach diet. The presence of protein just allows your body to break down carbs slower, which means your insulin is less likely to spike.
April 25, 2013 6:08 AM
QUOTE:

Don't want to stir up too much controversy but fat equal calories in <-> calories out is a myth in and of itself. It over simplifies the equation which does not account for how the hormones in your body reacts to food sources.

If you are really interested in the subject might I recommend you read the book "the smarter science of slim" by Jonathan Bailor. It's not a diet book, it just covers a lot of material out there by top researchers in the field.


Another good book is Burn the Fat by Tom Venartu (sp?) It is also not a diet book but a guide that focuses on different body types.
April 25, 2013 6:10 AM
I agree with previous poster. We make eating too complicated!
Edited by KAR1959 On April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
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April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
Not a myth!! I am a Type 1 diabetic, it is recommended when eating carbs to also consume protein with it to regulate insulin levels to prevent spikes. Another poster explains this very well.
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