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March 6, 2013 11:28 AM
Being given too many choices is much better than being given too few.
March 6, 2013 6:53 PM
one big contributing problem is that MFP does not allow you to delete any foods that you have created. they claim that once that food is in the database you can't delete it. However they don't have a problem with you editing it, so for a while I was editing all the no-longer-used-personal-foods to be labelled "zzzzz" so they'd at least be at the end of my foods list and out of the way.

Since then I have found another way of dealing with it, which is if I have a new food to enter, I just edit one of my old ZZZZ entries with that new food's data. That way my personal foods database doesn't keep growing like a runaway tumor.

in either case MFP needs to allow personal foods to be deleted by their creators.
  5878047
March 6, 2013 10:04 PM
You CAN delete PERSONAL food items
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MFP needs to allow personal foods to be deleted by their creators.


food > my foods> pick one of the foods
when it moves to the right you'll see at least an edit button - for items that aren't "PERSONAL" as in you shared it with the MFP database. If you kept it private ie "personal" no one else can use it, you are also given a delete button right beside the edit.
As soon as you have shared it with the database it's not a personal item any longer.
  3335912
March 7, 2013 5:53 AM
QUOTE:

one big contributing problem is that MFP does not allow you to delete any foods that you have created. they claim that once that food is in the database you can't delete it. However they don't have a problem with you editing it, so for a while I was editing all the no-longer-used-personal-foods to be labelled "zzzzz" so they'd at least be at the end of my foods list and out of the way.

Since then I have found another way of dealing with it, which is if I have a new food to enter, I just edit one of my old ZZZZ entries with that new food's data. That way my personal foods database doesn't keep growing like a runaway tumor.

in either case MFP needs to allow personal foods to be deleted by their creators.


This is a good idea, but I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong) that the food that was previously used with the old information will be changed to the new information. So if you added a new food last week and didn't like it, edited it to the new cheese this week you have altered last weeks numbers!! Not a huge deal but if you look back to say what you were eating a year ago when you were able to lose weight you would be looking at wrong data!!
  36933869
March 7, 2013 6:14 AM
As someone that has jumped around and used many different websites, and apps. I find that MFP is a good one, but the food database is lacking in many ways!! In other programs the list search feature is similar to Google search were is populates as you search!! That is a great feature especial for people that have trouble with spelling. Other features that I have seen in other places and would love to see here is making the database filterable!! (Sparkpeople do a great job at this!!) They allow you to search under the main database or include "user added foods", your own added foods, or include "brand named foods".

I agree that something needs to be changed it is very hard to search!
  36933869
March 9, 2013 7:34 AM
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QUOTE:

one big contributing problem is that MFP does not allow you to delete any foods that you have created. they claim that once that food is in the database you can't delete it. However they don't have a problem with you editing it, so for a while I was editing all the no-longer-used-personal-foods to be labelled "zzzzz" so they'd at least be at the end of my foods list and out of the way.

Since then I have found another way of dealing with it, which is if I have a new food to enter, I just edit one of my old ZZZZ entries with that new food's data. That way my personal foods database doesn't keep growing like a runaway tumor.

in either case MFP needs to allow personal foods to be deleted by their creators.


This is a good idea, but I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong) that the food that was previously used with the old information will be changed to the new information. So if you added a new food last week and didn't like it, edited it to the new cheese this week you have altered last weeks numbers!! Not a huge deal but if you look back to say what you were eating a year ago when you were able to lose weight you would be looking at wrong data!!


I don't think this is correct. If you change a food in your foods list or if someone updates a food, it does not effect the food previously entered in to your or someone else's diary. The same goes for meals and recipes. Once it is in the diary, changes to the food do not effect it.
  16475371
March 9, 2013 12:26 PM
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The database is oversaturated with too many specific meals with many things in them making it too difficult to find generic items. When I search for for example "fried turkey breast" I get hundreds of results of foods with sandwiches homemade meals including turkey including all other stuff which people eat together with turkey, special meals including by dozens of restaurants, brands...etc. I want the first result to be general turkey fried turkey breast with most confirmations - nothing else.

It appears people make specific homemade meals witch include many different foods and input them into the database. This is fine as it makes it more easy for them to add those meals again , but don't put those specialized meals in the database for others as it oversaturates the database with meals that people rarely eat in those specific food combinations. Beside that it does not spcifically state how much of specific foods a particular meal (for example sandwich) includes making them next to useless for most people.

When I eat a turkey, cheese and onion sandwich I will add specific foods myself by how much of each it includes. This exact sandwich can have totally different ratios than what I eat.

This could be solved for example by separating the database into generic items category and specific combined meals or by some different means.

Cheers!
100% in agreement !!! Why do people add "their items to the Data Base PERIOD????grumble That is why we can "save Meals",
Put in our own recipes ( on our on site ) Who cares about "Uncle Joes BBQ dinner" ?? Except the person who ate it!! angry
They should be saving that to "my Meals" or " my recipes" & for goodness sake DO NOT push the add to data base button sad I think the only thing that should be in the data base are generic or brand names.
My 2 cents, for what it is worth wink
  33668832
March 9, 2013 12:28 PM
It's gotten so damn bad I started using a different site for food and exercise logging. If they every fix this one maybe I'll come back.
  27145096
March 9, 2013 12:28 PM
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It's gotten so damn bad I started using a different site for food and exercise logging. If they every fix this one maybe I'll come back.


which site? any good?
March 9, 2013 12:31 PM
caloriecount.about.com
opinions vary. I like the way their database in configured and the charts and graphs as well. Also does a great job of breaking down macros.
  27145096
March 9, 2013 12:32 PM
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100% in agreement !!! Why do people add "their items to the Data Base PERIOD????grumble That is why we can "save Meals",
Put in our own recipes ( on our on site ) Who cares about "Uncle Joes BBQ dinner" ?? Except the person who ate it!! angry
They should be saving that to "my Meals" or " my recipes" & for goodness sake DO NOT push the add to data base button sad I think the only thing that should be in the data base are generic or brand names.
My 2 cents, for what it is worth

Until Nov 2012 it was the only way for those using the site with family members in the same house to be able to easily log the 'same" foods between their accounts. Create the recipe once in one account and then create a new food based on that recipes nutritional info for a serving that was shared with the database so the family member could go search for and find that item, instead of having to have the 'Recipe" open on the other persons account and ensuring that they used the exact same search results from the database to build the ingredients list in the same quantities etc.

But in Nov there was a feature added that lets you copy from any friends diary that you can view (previously solely on Android, iPad and iPhone apps) so NOW you don't have to create a "recipe" as a food item to the database to share it with friends, just log it in your shared diary and they can copy the nutritional info of that serving. But if a user is "used" to having to create the food to the database they may still be doing so.
  3335912
March 9, 2013 12:34 PM
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Is there an option where people can add their own foods in the recipes section, but not add it to the general database? if so, it should be promoted, so the DB does not become overcrowded.

Myself, I add individual items, but it can be frustrating searching through the database. I try to confirm other people's information where I can on products I am likely to use regularly, as this then tends to put them at the top of my search lists. I always do a few searches for a product before adding it just to ensure I am not missing something. I check several alternative names just to be sure. So far, I've only had to add one item, which was so new it wasn't even listed on the manufacturers website (well, not in English).
Yes I do it all the time. go to "recipes" tab, enter your recipe & save. Just DO NOT push the save to data base button. it will save it just for you, your site. flowerforyou
  33668832
March 9, 2013 12:36 PM
They should do a clean out
March 9, 2013 12:42 PM
Just wanted to chime in that I agree. I scanned the barcode on my box of K-cups once, and it came up as someone else's entry that was coffee with milk and sugar.... What??! I'm not putting cream and sugar in my coffee.... why did they save it with that barcode and their additions??
March 9, 2013 12:43 PM
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Being given too many choices is much better than being given too few.


No, you're missing the point here, it is a real PITA for what people want exactly not to appear right at the top of the list in first place! I mean WTF!!!! People don't have time to search through all the possible options, they have more important things to do like b*tching on forums (Forae?) about how bad the database is. (Note to those lacking a sense of humour, this is sarcastic irony, live with it)

I think these people should be locked out of the database and have to research and enter the nutritional data for every item they want to add to their food diary, and if they miss any entries like sodium or Vitamin A, they should be zapped with 50,000 volts through the keyboard. That would stop the b*tching.laugh
  37064945
March 9, 2013 12:46 PM
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You CAN delete PERSONAL food items
QUOTE:

MFP needs to allow personal foods to be deleted by their creators.


food > my foods> pick one of the foods
when it moves to the right you'll see at least an edit button - for items that aren't "PERSONAL" as in you shared it with the MFP database. If you kept it private ie "personal" no one else can use it, you are also given a delete button right beside the edit.
As soon as you have shared it with the database it's not a personal item any longer.
I have tried that^^^ repeatedly mine never has a delete button ??? ( only delete button anywhere I can find is just the one on "most used" tab. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated smile
  33668832
March 9, 2013 12:49 PM
I don't know how they could quickly remedy the situation but then again, I'm not a programmer. For now, I find what I need quickly enough and most of what I eat is saved in my own personal database anyway. I don't have to look to the master database very often anymore unless I'm adding a new brand of something that I eat already.
  7315460
March 9, 2013 12:49 PM
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Is there an option where people can add their own foods in the recipes section, but not add it to the general database? if so, it should be promoted, so the DB does not become overcrowded.



Yes, there is. I put up recipes all the time and never add it to the database.
  13449261
March 9, 2013 12:56 PM
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one big contributing problem is that MFP does not allow you to delete any foods that you have created. they claim that once that food is in the database you can't delete it. However they don't have a problem with you editing it, so for a while I was editing all the no-longer-used-personal-foods to be labelled "zzzzz" so they'd at least be at the end of my foods list and out of the way.

Since then I have found another way of dealing with it, which is if I have a new food to enter, I just edit one of my old ZZZZ entries with that new food's data. That way my personal foods database doesn't keep growing like a runaway tumor.

in either case MFP needs to allow personal foods to be deleted by their creators.


This is a good idea, but I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong) that the food that was previously used with the old information will be changed to the new information. So if you added a new food last week and didn't like it, edited it to the new cheese this week you have altered last weeks numbers!! Not a huge deal but if you look back to say what you were eating a year ago when you were able to lose weight you would be looking at wrong data!!


I don't think this is correct. If you change a food in your foods list or if someone updates a food, it does not effect the food previously entered in to your or someone else's diary. The same goes for meals and recipes. Once it is in the diary, changes to the food do not effect it.


This has been my experience, I have done it and checked(with recipes and meals not foods though) I've done some serious modification such as servings which changed the recipe calories significantly and I had to go back n delete it from my diary then reenter it to have it change :)
March 12, 2013 8:36 PM
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food > my foods> pick one of the foods
when it moves to the right you'll see at least an edit button - for items that aren't "PERSONAL" as in you shared it with the MFP database. If you kept it private ie "personal" no one else can use it, you are also given a delete button right beside the edit.
As soon as you have shared it with the database it's not a personal item any longer.


I supposed I should have qualified my original comment that personal foods cannot be deleted: I have heard your explanation before, but in all the time I have used MFP and made personal foods, I have never been presented with an option to "keep it private". Trust me, I would prefer not to share many of my personal foods with the public because I use a lot of shorthand meant only for me.
  5878047
March 12, 2013 8:44 PM
Food > my foods > create food
or food > food diary > search for the food and under the search results box whether you get a result or not is a line "can't find what you're looking for? add to the database " with the last part being clickable link that takes you to the create food screen that the first line does

IF you're creating via the website you get to choose if its private or not
IF you're creating via the app it can only be a private food item

The last line on the food creation screen after you've entered the brand and description and moved to the next page...
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Help us grow our food database!
Yes, let other MyFitnessPal members use this food.

It's a check box.. if you check it it is made as a PUBLIC food into the database. If you don't check it it's a private food. It's on that page for every food item you create via the website.
  3335912
March 12, 2013 8:58 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

You CAN delete PERSONAL food items
QUOTE:

MFP needs to allow personal foods to be deleted by their creators.


food > my foods> pick one of the foods
when it moves to the right you'll see at least an edit button - for items that aren't "PERSONAL" as in you shared it with the MFP database. If you kept it private ie "personal" no one else can use it, you are also given a delete button right beside the edit.
As soon as you have shared it with the database it's not a personal item any longer.
I have tried that^^^ repeatedly mine never has a delete button ??? ( only delete button anywhere I can find is just the one on "most used" tab. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated smile


Exactly my point. ...and this is why their database is overloaded.

I think I figured something out though. After much experimentation, here's what I discovered:

I always created new foods by editing foods that previously existed in the database to tailor my needs, simply because this is much quicker than entering all the nutrition data into a completely blank template. I never needed to create foods by scanning barcodes due to the huge size of the database. So I experimented and tried creating a food via the blank template method, as well as via the barcode scan method, and I saw something for the first time...

I discovered that in the process of creating the foods with a blank template and with a barcode scan, I was actually given the option to keep the food "private"!! And, astoundingly, I had the option to DELETE those foods from my "my foods" list! Needless to say, previous to this experiment I had never created a food in that manner simply because I had found a shortcut.

And I am quite apparently not the only one who has used the shortcut method, given the ridiculous overgrowth of their database. So, the SERIOUS problem with MFP is that they do not allow users who created their foods via the shortcut method to then delete said foods.

I for one have stopped creating foods at all. My "my foods" list is large enough that whenever I want to add something to it, I just edit over the information another food in that same, undeletable, list. And no, that does not affect my previous diary entries for that particular replaced food.

MFP Programmers, take *that*!!
  5878047

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