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December 6, 2012 11:07 AM
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Tea does have calories, sorry for the bad news!! The ginger drink that I drink actually has 78 calories and my friends and I actually had this conversation because I was contemplating going to a strictly tea as a beverage diet.

I actually have always disliked water highly and I normally drank vitamin water, the dragon fruit flavor specifically or juice. However, using the logic that the calories that I am drinking in my juice and vitaminwater(I don't drink soda) are adding calories that are taking away from foods or alcohol(:D) I am trying to at least drink some with a squeeze of lemon in it.

Sigh, it's so exhausting, isn't it?


WTH do you put in your tea to cause it to have 78 calories???

5 tsp. of sugar wink


LOL, no, about 8 rocks of German Rock Sugar. That's all! The tea has it without adding anything additional.
  32202515
December 6, 2012 11:08 AM
TBH, I never log my coffee as water, but TB even more H, if it didn't help hydrate me even a little I would definitely have died of dehydration like a decade ago, minimum.

Here is an article from the NY Times on the subject of coffee and dehydration:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/health/nutrition/04real.html

Basically, they say coffee and caffeine are not much more of a diuretic than water alone.

Think about it this way, too: when you make something garbage-filled like an organic heirloom vegetable soup from scratch, at some point you add 6 cups (or whatever amount) of water. If that makes 4 servings of soup, one of the ingredients in your meal was 1.5 cups water. So if you were to log all the ingredients in mfp, one of them would be 1.5 cups of water.
  23807272
December 6, 2012 11:09 AM
Herbal tea would count, but not caffeine since it dehydrates you and coffee does not count sadly...coffee makes you more dehydrated!
December 6, 2012 11:09 AM
ROFL!!! :As I understand it, coffee is a dehydrator. Tea, not so much....but thinking about drinking the cup of hot water and then sucking the little tea bag... Over the top!! You are so funny!
Edited by patbuckner68 On December 6, 2012 11:10 AM
December 6, 2012 11:09 AM
I only count water as water. Coffee and tea are both diuretics, which means you lose water the more you drink. So, if the majority of your "water" comes from coffee and tea, then you're losing quite a bit of it through a diuretic effect.
  20883166
December 6, 2012 11:10 AM
Secret is you don't have to obsess and count it at all.
December 6, 2012 11:10 AM
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ROFL!!! :As I understand it, coffee is a dehydrator. Tea, not so much....but thinking about drinking the cup of hot water and then sucking the little tea bag... Over the top!! You are so funny!


I use coffee to make beef jerkey
December 6, 2012 11:10 AM
Its not just 8 glasses of water, its 8 glasses of any liquid.

So yes coffee and tea do count. Although I do not encourage you to replace coffee and tea for your water, unless you mean green tea :-)
December 6, 2012 11:12 AM
Brewed coffee has calories. This I discovered today... even if you drink it black! Kirkland coffee has 5 calories per 8 ounces. So in my book coffee is now a food. Anything that is a liquid and has zero calories is counted as water.
December 6, 2012 11:12 AM
if it is herbal tea (no caffeine) you can count it as water, but any beverage that has any little bit of a caffeine would not count!

Some of my favorite herbal teas are from Yogi!
December 6, 2012 11:14 AM
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I'm sure someone has already said this, but tea (for many people) and coffee are diuretics, which means they flush the body of water. Thus, you need water-water to replenish your body.

And to anyone who says differently, I could give countless examples of the times I've hit the head after drinking tea or coffee.


um. everyone hits the head after they drink tea or coffee every time. unless they die first. correlation <> causation
  21632471
December 6, 2012 11:15 AM
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I'm sure someone has already said this, but tea (for many people) and coffee are diuretics, which means they flush the body of water. Thus, you need water-water to replenish your body.

And to anyone who says differently, I could give countless examples of the times I've hit the head after drinking tea or coffee.


Ooooh, okay, so the liquid that comes from me when I urinate isn't from water-water?
December 6, 2012 11:16 AM
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Ooooh, okay, so the liquid that comes from me when I urinate isn't from water-water?


What if I drink a cup of water and then eat a handful of espresso beans
December 6, 2012 11:17 AM
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Ooooh, okay, so the liquid that comes from me when I urinate isn't from water-water?


What if I drink a cup of water and then eat a handful of espresso beans


It depends. Are they chocolate covered? And are you sharing?
Edited by firstsip On December 6, 2012 11:18 AM
December 6, 2012 11:18 AM
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Its not just 8 glasses of water, its 8 glasses of any liquid.

So yes coffee and tea do count. Although I do not encourage you to replace coffee and tea for your water, unless you mean green tea :-)


Actually it's the equivalent of 8 glasses of water. you can get your water from solids too.
  21632471
December 6, 2012 11:18 AM
I think the main thing is that you shouldn't log something like an Odwalla smoothie or a milkshake or a frappuccino as water ONLY, because you should be adding the calories. But the frappuccino has like a cup of water in it at least, so from there on out it's whatever you feel like is good and working for you to help you meet your goals. But as the person with the 78 calorie tea points out, you wanna be checking your nutrition labels, even when the food basically never has calories.

This is totally speculative, but I think the thing with tea and coffee, too, is when I drink a coffee I might drink a 20 ounce coffee in half an hour or so. Which, if I drank 20 ounces of water in that time, would cause the same issues. But people have a tendency to drink water more slowly, because it isn't the hot and delicious elixir of life, it is the cold-to-room-temperature and flavorless elixir of life.
  23807272
December 6, 2012 11:20 AM
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Its not just 8 glasses of water, its 8 glasses of any liquid.

So yes coffee and tea do count. Although I do not encourage you to replace coffee and tea for your water, unless you mean green tea :-)

This!

The whole 64 or more ounces of water a day thing which has gotten so blown out of proportion and quite frankly puzzles me, includes ALL of the water that is a part of the foods you eat everyday. You don't need to drink 64 ounces of water, let alone more, unless you are doing a lot of exercising and sweating profusely. If you exercise, you should be drinking back what you lose, of course.

I always tell people that if you eat the coffee beans and then drink the water, doesn't the water count?
  5282428
December 6, 2012 11:22 AM
I count it and count the sugar I add too. Really don't think my body is going to freak out because I replaced 1-2 cups of water with hot tea. I made it myself so I know exactly what went into it (water not milk). The few times I drink coffee I only count it if I use the instant kind (land o lakes), I make it myself. I log the 1 cup of water and the coffee using bar code scanner. If I buy coffee from the store I will only count it as coffee since I have no idea if they used water (how much) or milk.

Either way at the end of the day my body will tell me if I am dehydrated, forcing me to drink water during/after my workout and before bed. I just listen to it to tell me, sometimes I could have had 8 full glasses of water plain water no tea or coffee and I am still thirsty like I was lost in the Sahara. Those end up being the days my MFP water glass spills over.

I don't log a sandwich, I log the bread, cheese, turkey, and ham; separately. This is how I see tea and coffee if I make them myself. I also log the milk I use for oatmeal and if i use water it's water if I use a cup or more a cup or less can not log MPF does not have options for half a cup.
December 6, 2012 11:22 AM
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Brewed coffee has calories. This I discovered today... even if you drink it black! Kirkland coffee has 5 calories per 8 ounces. So in my book coffee is now a food. Anything that is a liquid and has zero calories is counted as water.

So couldn't you add the coffee to your food diary for the calories and still up your water intake ticker? It's what I do when I drink a beverage that has a couple of calories.
Edited by SueInAz On December 6, 2012 11:22 AM
  5282428
December 6, 2012 11:29 AM
"Chemically" water is exactly the same as coffee, in that coffee is water plus coffee. Is "water" on the list of ingredients? Then it's water. It's just water plus something else. The liquid "coffee" is a mixture of water and coffee beans, it doesn't become a new chemical compound during the brewing process. This is high school chemistry.

When people say "only water counts as water" they are wrong in terms of chemistry, unless you're going to be drinking plant fertiliser, but they have a point if they are advising you to drink water without unnecessary additions.

If all you care about is fluid, than any mixture that contains H20 (coffee, tea, juice, soda) counts.
December 6, 2012 11:29 AM
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if it is herbal tea (no caffeine) you can count it as water, but any beverage that has any little bit of a caffeine would not count!

Some of my favorite herbal teas are from Yogi!


This is absolutely ridiculous...Just sayin. What are you using as the definition of the word "count" here? If you swallow liquid, it's water that goes into your body...YES, it adds water to your body, therefore it "counts" and it hydrates your body. Caffiene (especially a small amount) is not a strong enough diuretic to cause you to lose more water than you consume.
  29952235
December 6, 2012 11:32 AM
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Its not just 8 glasses of water, its 8 glasses of any liquid.

So yes coffee and tea do count. Although I do not encourage you to replace coffee and tea for your water, unless you mean green tea :-)


Even vodka? drinker
December 6, 2012 11:32 AM
Caffeinated beverages such as soda, coffee and tea also are water sources, although pure water is the best hydration option.
December 6, 2012 11:33 AM
I don't count my coffee as water, but technically if you drink it black and don't add anything to it, it comes up as ZERO calories, so why shouldn't you be able to add it as water? Also, if you add those little packets of flavorings to your water, I believe they're only like 5 calories each. Why can't you add that as just water, but then just add the 5 calories by itself?
December 6, 2012 11:34 AM
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Brewed coffee has calories. This I discovered today... even if you drink it black! Kirkland coffee has 5 calories per 8 ounces. So in my book coffee is now a food. Anything that is a liquid and has zero calories is counted as water.

So couldn't you add the coffee to your food diary for the calories and still up your water intake ticker? It's what I do when I drink a beverage that has a couple of calories.

WHAT??? You can log things in TWO PLACES??? Surely you jest!

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