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October 25, 2012 12:56 PM
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I don't agree. I have a very slow metabolism, and when I eat junk food, it STICKS, regardless of exercise. Junk food contains a lot of sodium, which can make you gain water weight (at least it's not fat weight, but it's still weight). I think the amount of junk food you eat and how it affects the body depends on the person's metabolism and activity level.


drinker

Even if I try to eat it in moderation, even if I fit it into my calories...I eat junk food it sticks around. When I eat healthy food...I lose.

As with everything...it isn't cut and dry to every single person. flowerforyou


That being said, I am not going to ban these foods from ever crossing my lips but for it to work for me it has to be a once in a blue moon thing and not a "reward".
October 25, 2012 12:59 PM
Genius! Calories in vs. Calories out
October 25, 2012 1:00 PM
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I've had fairly good results 'still' eatting junk'. I do wonder if I'd 'do better' eatting 'clean', but still I reached my goal a while ago and have been maintaining for a while and have not really changed my diet, just eatting less and exercising more.


Same here. I feel better eating clean but I don't think that I look better, lose more weight, etc because of it.
  20063222
October 25, 2012 1:01 PM
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A guy did this study called the krispy kream diet where all he ate was krispy kream for 6 months at his bmr calories for 6 months and then lost almost 100 pounds!! It was amazing it was a documentary my health teacher showed us! That's y I gave up caring so what if I eat a cookie I love those things!!!


I cringe just thinking about this...
October 25, 2012 1:01 PM
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I like cake.

My golden rule is if you cant go without a certain food for the rest of your life, don't cut it out now.


I feel this way about ice cream. I try to fit ice cream into my calories a couple of times a week.
  25449683
October 25, 2012 1:04 PM
I'm starting to see my abs for the first time in my life (after two children and gaining 50lbs each time) and I still eat junk food on almost a daily basis. Obviously, my everyday average diet is healthy, but I definitely do not deprive my self. It's taken me nearly four months of working out six days a week and calorie deficit to see my abs and get just below my goal weight. It's been an emotional roller coaster, but it's definitely worth it. I know that if I workout another four months and continue my healthy life style, my results will be twice as good. I will be wearing a two piece for the first time in over six years!
October 25, 2012 1:05 PM
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Genius! Calories in vs. Calories out


Bingo!

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/06/health/la-he-fitness-twinkie-diet-20101206
  21670719
October 25, 2012 1:07 PM
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Some of the people I admire most here who have had the most success at losing weight and changing their bodies are the people who refuse to villainize certain foods, refuse to make excuses as to why they can/can't do something, refuse to exclude the foods they love from their diet.

Most of them weightlift, are decently active and reasonably indulge their cravings.

They look damn sexy for it.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/lorinalynn/ <-- this lady, for instance. flowerforyou

(It's also why my profile pic is a pirate banana at the moment, since bananas are so villified on MFPforums laugh )



I didn't read a damn thing I just wanted to say I LOVE your pic!
October 25, 2012 1:07 PM
I agree with this to an extent. Maybe like 90% agree, haha. My main issue is your statement that protein isn't that important. A lot of us here want to look GOOD when we lose weight, and we're not going to if we lose all our muscle along with the fat! Eating high protein helps preserve that muscle.

Otherwise though, I think you are spot on. I wish people would stop villainizing "junk" foods. I eat some kind of junk food every day and I am doing great!
October 25, 2012 1:08 PM
Speaking from experience it's much easier to eat healthy and intuitively most of the time rather than religiously count calories. I remember I used to shuffle around or skip meals just so I could have X number of cookies per day or a fast food lunch. Now I eat healthy 90% of the time and just don't worry about the one day every week where I'll have some pizza or junk. The fact is we're made to eat meat, vegetables, and fruits. Not live out of boxes like we do.
October 25, 2012 1:09 PM
my problem is, 200 calories worth of lettuce won't fill me up, but a 200 calorie candy bar will! maybe i can't digest vegetables or something...

anyway. the deal with junk food is that people eat too much of it. most people will eat a half or a whole container, where as thjey should be eating the serving size. if you are trying to loose weight, you shouldn't necessarily cut it out all together unless you have no self control. i've found that eating 1/2 or 1/4 the serving size allows me to indulge, but also fill up the other calories with healthy food.

i mean look at the french. look at how skinny they are, but look at their food. its so fattening and delicious! Its because the portions are tiny. combine tiny portions of amazing food with low calorie healthy filler.
  26312747
October 25, 2012 1:09 PM
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Speaking from experience it's much easier to eat healthy and intuitively most of the time rather than religiously count calories. I remember I used to shuffle around or skip meals just so I could have X number of cookies per day or a fast food lunch. Now I eat healthy 90% of the time and just don't worry about the one day every week where I'll have some pizza or junk. The fact is we're made to eat meat, vegetables, and fruits. Not live out of boxes like we do.


This pretty much sums up how I feel

If all I cared about was weight and/or seeing ab definition, then I'd agree with you Pu.
October 25, 2012 1:10 PM
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People also say “You won’t get enough protein.” Protein is also highly over rated. People don’t “BUILD” muscle. The muscles hold fluid called sarcoplasm. Most of the fluid is water. I know some pretty well built vegans. The more carbs you eat, the more carbs you burn, the more protein you eat, the more protein you burn. You think you will lose muscle if you don’t eat enough protein? You will just burn more carbs, they spare muscle. I did a self-experiment for a month. I ate noting but junk food to make a point to my friends. It’s all about calories. I lost 12lbs of fat in a month.


I really hate to nitpick over a post that I agree with overall, but this paragraph is flat out wrong on several levels.

For starters, muscle fibers do grow. What you're describing is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which is an increase in the fluid surrounding the muscle, which causes them to appear larger. This is different from myofibrillar hypertrophy, which is an increase in the size of the muscle fibers.

It was long believed that a third type, hyperplasia, which is the actual addition of new muscle fibers did not occur in humans, but this is now in doubt.

Also, the research comparing the RDA for protein (.8g/kg) to more adequate intakes (1.2g all the way up to 3g/kg) clearly show the superiority of an adequate protein intake for both muscle building, as well as lean mass retention while in a caloric deficit.

Also, protein can be converted to glucose as needed, but you don't "burn protein" directly. Gluconeogenesis increases in a calorie deficit, but that's a reason to eat more protein, not less.


Thank you for posting this. You said it much better than I could have.
October 25, 2012 1:11 PM
Makes me say...hmmm?
October 25, 2012 1:12 PM
Love this post! I eat lucky charms almost everyday (with real milk!! Gasp!!!) and I am shedding bodyfat and have lost 93lbs. Besides they realy are magically delicious.
  16789819
October 25, 2012 1:12 PM
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People also say “You won’t get enough protein.” Protein is also highly over rated. People don’t “BUILD” muscle. The muscles hold fluid called sarcoplasm. Most of the fluid is water. I know some pretty well built vegans. The more carbs you eat, the more carbs you burn, the more protein you eat, the more protein you burn. You think you will lose muscle if you don’t eat enough protein? You will just burn more carbs, they spare muscle. I did a self-experiment for a month. I ate noting but junk food to make a point to my friends. It’s all about calories. I lost 12lbs of fat in a month.


I really hate to nitpick over a post that I agree with overall, but this paragraph is flat out wrong on several levels.

For starters, muscle fibers do grow. What you're describing is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which is an increase in the fluid surrounding the muscle, which causes them to appear larger. This is different from myofibrillar hypertrophy, which is an increase in the size of the muscle fibers.

It was long believed that a third type, hyperplasia, which is the actual addition of new muscle fibers did not occur in humans, but this is now in doubt.

Also, the research comparing the RDA for protein (.8g/kg) to more adequate intakes (1.2g all the way up to 3g/kg) clearly show the superiority of an adequate protein intake for both muscle building, as well as lean mass retention while in a caloric deficit.

Also, protein can be converted to glucose as needed, but you don't "burn protein" directly. Gluconeogenesis increases in a calorie deficit, but that's a reason to eat more protein, not less.


I was specifically talking about sarcoplasmic hypetrophy compared to hyperplasia. As you mentioned it still sounds like hyperplasia is still debatable.

Here is a good site
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49890664/6/Muscle-Growth-and-Low-Protein-Diets

As you know, if you eat a lot a protein doesn't mean you'll grow. You also need stimuli. I am gearing towards more protein utilization/partitioning.
  11390926
October 25, 2012 1:13 PM
ok. we can all agree that it is "calories in vs calories out" but there are a host of other health issues that can happen by putting crap in your body. Im sure I dont need to list them as you are all intelligent ppl and already know them. Its also about the quality of your life, your life expectancy , and your ability to enjoy your life at a high energy level, which it has been proven time and time again that eating healthy does those things. You simply feel better! Did anyone also see that "movie" a few years ago about the guy that ate nothing but macdonalds for 3 meals a day for 30 straight days??? his health went from being excellent to being almost on deaths doorstep within a month! It took him over a year to get his cholesterol down to normal, his blood sugar back under control, his body fat back down after gaining 30 pounds, etc....you get the idea. I used to be a bodybuilder and I ate the most strict diet ever,almost year round and I would not want anyone to ever do that--its terrible, lol. I do believe most things in moderation but to say that it doesnt really matter what you eat, is a lil outta whack from what "healthy " eating is. If you wanna eat junk all the time, go ahead but I promise you, you would feel much better, more energetic and be happier if you ate healthier most of the time. Okay, so go ahead everyone, let me have it:) Gotta love forums.
October 25, 2012 1:14 PM
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Speaking from experience it's much easier to eat healthy and intuitively most of the time rather than religiously count calories. I remember I used to shuffle around or skip meals just so I could have X number of cookies per day or a fast food lunch. Now I eat healthy 90% of the time and just don't worry about the one day every week where I'll have some pizza or junk. The fact is we're made to eat meat, vegetables, and fruits. Not live out of boxes like we do.


This pretty much sums up how I feel

If all I cared about was weight and/or seeing ab definition, then I'd agree with you Pu.


I know what both of you are saying. I do agree for the most part. You have to keep in mind most people here have been livig out of boxes and cans. My point is don't do a 180 with your diet, that just leads to failure.
  11390926
October 25, 2012 1:15 PM
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You have to keep in mind most people here have been livig out of boxes and cans.


how do they get to the internet
Edited by secretlobster On October 25, 2012 1:17 PM
October 25, 2012 1:18 PM
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ok. we can all agree that it is "calories in vs calories out" but there are a host of other health issues that can happen by putting crap in your body. Im sure I dont need to list them as you are all intelligent ppl and already know them. Its also about the quality of your life, your life expectancy , and your ability to enjoy your life at a high energy level, which it has been proven time and time again that eating healthy does those things. You simply feel better! Did anyone also see that "movie" a few years ago about the guy that ate nothing but macdonalds for 3 meals a day for 30 straight days??? his health went from being excellent to being almost on deaths doorstep within a month! It took him over a year to get his cholesterol down to normal, his blood sugar back under control, his body fat back down after gaining 30 pounds, etc....you get the idea. I used to be a bodybuilder and I ate the most strict diet ever,almost year round and I would not want anyone to ever do that--its terrible, lol. I do believe most things in moderation but to say that it doesnt really matter what you eat, is a lil outta whack from what "healthy " eating is. If you wanna eat junk all the time, go ahead but I promise you, you would feel much better, more energetic and be happier if you ate healthier most of the time. Okay, so go ahead everyone, let me have it:) Gotta love forums.


Here here! drinker
October 25, 2012 1:18 PM
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ok. we can all agree that it is "calories in vs calories out" but there are a host of other health issues that can happen by putting crap in your body. Im sure I dont need to list them as you are all intelligent ppl and already know them. Its also about the quality of your life, your life expectancy , and your ability to enjoy your life at a high energy level, which it has been proven time and time again that eating healthy does those things. You simply feel better! Did anyone also see that "movie" a few years ago about the guy that ate nothing but macdonalds for 3 meals a day for 30 straight days??? his health went from being excellent to being almost on deaths doorstep within a month! It took him over a year to get his cholesterol down to normal, his blood sugar back under control, his body fat back down after gaining 30 pounds, etc....you get the idea. I used to be a bodybuilder and I ate the most strict diet ever,almost year round and I would not want anyone to ever do that--its terrible, lol. I do believe most things in moderation but to say that it doesnt really matter what you eat, is a lil outta whack from what "healthy " eating is. If you wanna eat junk all the time, go ahead but I promise you, you would feel much better, more energetic and be happier if you ate healthier most f the time. Okay, so go ahead everyone, let me have it:) Gotta love forums.

You need to look at "down size me" it's a guy who does the exact same thing (McDonald's every meal for a month) and he loses bodyfat and gains muscle....how is this you say? Simple really, like he states he ate his allowed calories for the day and worked out like usual. Unlike mr sperlock from "supersize me" who gorged himself relentlessly on the food.
  16789819
October 25, 2012 1:19 PM
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  24140942
October 25, 2012 1:20 PM
Some totally interesting responses to a provacative post.

If you want to fill your calorie allotment with food that has little or no nutrition then go ahead and do it. I wish you success in your weight loss journey. That is not my goa because I don't like feeling like crap with sore joints, no energy and a bloated belly from eating empty calories. I also don't want to be one of the 50% of people who get cancer. So my goals are twofold: 1. improve nutrition; 2. keep a calorie deficit so my body will use up the stored fat.
October 25, 2012 1:20 PM
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ok. we can all agree that it is "calories in vs calories out" but there are a host of other health issues that can happen by putting crap in your body. Im sure I dont need to list them as you are all intelligent ppl and already know them. Its also about the quality of your life, your life expectancy , and your ability to enjoy your life at a high energy level, which it has been proven time and time again that eating healthy does those things. You simply feel better! Did anyone also see that "movie" a few years ago about the guy that ate nothing but macdonalds for 3 meals a day for 30 straight days??? his health went from being excellent to being almost on deaths doorstep within a month! It took him over a year to get his cholesterol down to normal, his blood sugar back under control, his body fat back down after gaining 30 pounds, etc....you get the idea. I used to be a bodybuilder and I ate the most strict diet ever,almost year round and I would not want anyone to ever do that--its terrible, lol. I do believe most things in moderation but to say that it doesnt really matter what you eat, is a lil outta whack from what "healthy " eating is. If you wanna eat junk all the time, go ahead but I promise you, you would feel much better, more energetic and be happier if you ate healthier most of the time. Okay, so go ahead everyone, let me have it:) Gotta love forums.


The oldest women in the world in 2008 smoked from the age of 21 - 101. One of the oldest mans in the world i think in 2011 accredited is age to bourbon. I seen Supersize me. He did do a lot of damage. But what what caused the damage? The junk food? It wasn't the junk food, it was the excessive calories. There is another documentary called "Fathead" He also ate nothing but Mcdonalds(junk food). He lost 10lbs in a month and his health indicators improved. It was never the McDonalds, It was the calories.
  11390926
October 25, 2012 1:24 PM
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People also say “You won’t get enough protein.” Protein is also highly over rated. People don’t “BUILD” muscle. The muscles hold fluid called sarcoplasm. Most of the fluid is water. I know some pretty well built vegans. The more carbs you eat, the more carbs you burn, the more protein you eat, the more protein you burn. You think you will lose muscle if you don’t eat enough protein? You will just burn more carbs, they spare muscle. I did a self-experiment for a month. I ate noting but junk food to make a point to my friends. It’s all about calories. I lost 12lbs of fat in a month.


I really hate to nitpick over a post that I agree with overall, but this paragraph is flat out wrong on several levels.

For starters, muscle fibers do grow. What you're describing is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which is an increase in the fluid surrounding the muscle, which causes them to appear larger. This is different from myofibrillar hypertrophy, which is an increase in the size of the muscle fibers.

It was long believed that a third type, hyperplasia, which is the actual addition of new muscle fibers did not occur in humans, but this is now in doubt.

Also, the research comparing the RDA for protein (.8g/kg) to more adequate intakes (1.2g all the way up to 3g/kg) clearly show the superiority of an adequate protein intake for both muscle building, as well as lean mass retention while in a caloric deficit.

Also, protein can be converted to glucose as needed, but you don't "burn protein" directly. Gluconeogenesis increases in a calorie deficit, but that's a reason to eat more protein, not less.


I was specifically talking about sarcoplasmic hypetrophy compared to hyperplasia. As you mentioned it still sounds like hyperplasia is still debatable.

Here is a good site
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49890664/6/Muscle-Growth-and-Low-Protein-Diets

As you know, if you eat a lot a protein doesn't mean you'll grow. You also need stimuli. I am gearing towards more protein utilization/partitioning.


So what is about protein that's "overrated?"

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