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October 18, 2012 8:55 PM
I think some folks are missing an important point. As long as you have synced your MFP account with your Fitbit account, you can't "erase" the entry. Sure you can delete it right now, but it will just come back the next time the two sites trade data.

As for the non-further response from the the staff, and this doesn't even affect me too much, if they could explain how a logged exercise calorie burn can be wiped out by a Fitbit adjustment, I and my wife could then make a decision as to whether to continue to recommend the site (and the Fitbit BTW) to folks. I am not so egotistical to think I have influenced that many folks (I know of 3 for sure) but since my wife is a clinician and is approached on a daily basis for advice I know both she and I would like to have a firm grasp on what is going on now.
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October 18, 2012 9:55 PM
Steven;

This "update" wasn't thought out very well. It's not even necessarily a good update for those who will be purchasing the new FitBit that updates via their cell phone. My cell phone doesn't get a signal inside our office building. I sync in the morning to get my sleep patterns in then do not sync again until I return home after working out. Some nights that is after 7:00pm. All through out the day I'm being told that I can't have my normal 1300 calories that day as I keep getting an increasingly large negative adjustment. I tried offsetting this by recording my exercise calories before I went to the gym. FitBit created a negative adjustment that erased those calories PLUS 200 more. So much for being able to plan my day. The goal is constantly in motion making it hard to determine what's left and what's not.

Not a good update for those of us who do not have the new FitBit updating constantly. I've lost 40lbs in 6 months without this "update". Is this update going to make me loose weight faster or what? I don't expect rocket science and 100% accuracy from a free website and a $99 device. But it wasn't broke, why did you attempt to fix it?
October 18, 2012 11:36 PM
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FitBit/MFP - just knock it off.

I had everything peachy fine, I go by TDEE -20% for my calories / light activity (1-3 hours a week). I've NEVER put anything in FitBit, only here at MFP (food & exercise). I wear my FitBit all day while awake and I just started using Endo for outside stuff and in the process of getting the bluetooth polar so they can talk.

Now, no matter what I adjust, I'm getting negative unless I delete the FitBit Adjustment.

I'm sorry, this is not a bonus feature. I want to get everything in RIGHT, I want to be able to plan my day instead of worrying if I can EAT dinner. I don't like waking up seeing a negative before I do anything and hoping when I get to sync in the evening, I haven't screwed up because everything reads NEGATIVE.

With the way things WERE I've lost 65 pounds in 6 months! I had my stuff tweaked to work and was rocking it!

Now I want to toss/sell my Fitbit and stay only w/ the Polar.

Haven't you ever heard the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"


EXACTLY! I plan my day ahead of time in a lot of ways, and today I came home, logged my exercise, and went about making dinner. I go to log it and find that Fitbit deducted calories so my food plan doesn't work. I base my TDEE on my calories that Fitbit says I'm burning, and I use a HRM. Fitbit doesn't register a lot of what I do (like weight training) as actual activity, so I rely on my HRM.

There's too many settings now to keep it simple, and I set my calories based on my actual activity not any static predetermination of 1200 calories.

I will get rid of the MFP and Fitbit connection.
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October 19, 2012 12:23 AM
Interesting... this morning I "gained" 184 cals on syncing before heading to the gym early doors... now what this DID do was put my MFP and FB MUCH closer in terms of cals available today.. MFP 1384, FB 1361
That's the first time I have seen things that close at the start of my day - normally if I am lucky they used to come together towards the end of the day in terms of calories left.

The rest of the working day will be quite sedentary (a lot of revising and writing) and then tonight a lot of drinking and maybe a bit of a boogie (!)... but as I am at my weekend - I usually let rip and enjoy myself a little...

Interestingly ... this was the first time I "timed" Fitty on gym activities...
Treadmill - Fitty cals burned were actually HIGHER than the machine gave me (good lesson learned there... pfft)
Cycle - Fitty all but went comatose (but no surprises there really so took the machine value)...
Swim - Fitty stayed safe in my bag and I took the MFP vals...

MFP staff (again) - would really welcome your views on what I am seeing today, compared to yesterday.
Oh and I took a look at the apps and I SOOO want the swimsense doodad.... Bad MFP for tempting me when I have no income for this month :-p (but seriously ... THAT is going on my Christmas list!)

Edited to add: I am like the poster above - normally Mon-Thurs I tend to plan my week of meals - and yesterday's shennanigans sometimes makes it hard if you are aiming to eat back at least a proportion of your calories... as it was I ate sparingly (no grub in the house!)... but next week when I pick up the pace at the gym after being off ill... it will be interesting to track... I guess I ought to thank you for giving me so much material to blog about this week, huh!
Edited by rfsatar On October 19, 2012 12:25 AM
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October 19, 2012 3:04 AM
Question to MFP staff... when I first got the Fitbit, there was a great and detailed post somewhere that stated ALL exercise logging needed to be done at MFP and just sync the FB only... don't log in FB too.

With the new changes - has that changed?
I prefer to log here as I like the reports and the setup and obviously the food database is far more superior... and for activities like swimming, I would STILL have to take an MFP estimate and then put that in FB (which does seem pretty pointless).

Advice please?
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October 19, 2012 4:07 AM
bump for later reading
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October 19, 2012 4:32 AM
my fitbit is now subtracting excercise from my daily calorie intake instead of adding it
October 19, 2012 4:35 AM
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FitBit/MFP - just knock it off.

Haven't you ever heard the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"


THIS.
October 19, 2012 4:37 AM
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I think some folks are missing an important point. As long as you have synced your MFP account with your Fitbit account, you can't "erase" the entry. Sure you can delete it right now, but it will just come back the next time the two sites trade data.



True - I have unlinked mine now, I am back to tracking everything manually.
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October 19, 2012 4:52 AM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

FitBit/MFP - just knock it off.

Haven't you ever heard the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"


THIS.

^^^^ Once again ... good advice

Like the poster above, this morning I awake to 182 calories in the hole. That makes about as much sense as opening my paycheck on FR to see that my employer has taken $ from my account until I prove that I've done the work. Regardless of whether or not the adjustment narrows as the day goes on, waking to a negative number is counter productive IMO.

Things were just fine with the old values ... I planned my day, weeks and month based on that info. Now, I have no idea if the information logged here by MFP thru Fitbit is even close to being accurate. Time to un-link the Fitbit until this is ironed out or find a site that doesn't make sweeping changes without first consulting with existing clients on whether those changes are justified.
Edited by falcon367 On October 19, 2012 5:02 AM
October 19, 2012 6:00 AM
I haven't done anything much this morning - eaten breakfast and read through this Topic and I have a FitBit adjustment of -19. Which is exactly what it should be! MFP takes your expected Calorie burn, subtracts what the Fitbit reports as actual burn and applies that adjustment to your calorie allowance. I keep a spreadsheet on which I record for each day what I ate, what I burned and the Fitbit Adjustment. This result of the burned calories minus the adjustment is consistent - and has stayed consistent with the new calculation. It changes only when the weight changes and since the expected calorie burn is based on variables, one of which is weight, that is correct. On the day I sat and read all day, I got a minus. On the day I barely sat down, I got a satisfyingly high positive adjustment. Which is exactly what I want.
I put all my food into MFP, I put all my exercise into Fitbit. All is working as it should.

Thank you Fitbit and MFP -
October 19, 2012 9:18 AM
Bumping so other people with this problem can see.

What I've done is unlink my Fitbit and put MFP on sedentary + logging my exercise. So far, it's working like it did before this update.
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October 19, 2012 10:23 AM
GRRRR get this fixed!!!!! It is frustrating to get a minus........................I am minus 204 calories already
October 19, 2012 10:43 AM
I just unlinked my FitBit from MFP because of this negative calorie adjustment. I liked the way the two worked together before this and I had been losing weight. Please change it back!
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October 19, 2012 11:02 AM
My day started after midnight with my BASE CALORIES allowing 2200. I got up this morning (I don't use the Fitbit to track sleep as I have un-treated sleep apnea and its not accurate anyway) and I had a negative adjustment lowering my base calories. My diet was set to sedentary when this was calculated and I adjusted the percentages of my carbs/fat/protein only.
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October 19, 2012 11:04 AM
My fitbit has been giving me minus calories whenever i haven't done the number of steps MFP expects in a day (sedentary, active etc) If I exceed that, it gives me more calories. I have set MFP as low as possible to get rid of this
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October 19, 2012 11:06 AM
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I haven't done anything much this morning - eaten breakfast and read through this Topic and I have a FitBit adjustment of -19. Which is exactly what it should be! MFP takes your expected Calorie burn, subtracts what the Fitbit reports as actual burn and applies that adjustment to your calorie allowance. I keep a spreadsheet on which I record for each day what I ate, what I burned and the Fitbit Adjustment. This result of the burned calories minus the adjustment is consistent - and has stayed consistent with the new calculation. It changes only when the weight changes and since the expected calorie burn is based on variables, one of which is weight, that is correct. On the day I sat and read all day, I got a minus. On the day I barely sat down, I got a satisfyingly high positive adjustment. Which is exactly what I want.
I put all my food into MFP, I put all my exercise into Fitbit. All is working as it should.

Thank you Fitbit and MFP -


I'm not sure how this was supposed to work then. Before it showed me how many calories I could eat after the deficit based on my activity level and then added calories I could eat based on how much exercise I did. Now it sounds like they were estimating activity into the daily calorie allowance even when it was set to sedentary. This isn't right. Makes me think MFP might be the reason I hit a plateau recently and not my body!
Edited by kais79 On October 19, 2012 11:06 AM
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October 19, 2012 2:42 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

I think some folks are missing an important point. As long as you have synced your MFP account with your Fitbit account, you can't "erase" the entry. Sure you can delete it right now, but it will just come back the next time the two sites trade data.



True - I have unlinked mine now, I am back to tracking everything manually.


Unfortunately, I've unlinked my FitBit as well. I've lost 67 lbs since May 14 and understood and liked both MFP and FitBiIt and how they worked together. Now I feel like I should either throw away the FitBit or find a replacement for MFP. Not happy.

It is very discouraging to wake up to a large negative FitBit adjustment - it makes it appear that I'm supposed to survive on 1200 calories a day and will have to choose whether eat at all during the day if I want to be able to eat anything for dinner. And it's particularly discouraging and annoying when I go running for 40 minutes and then lift weights for an hour and the FitBit adjustment takes away every single calorie I've burned. I suspect there is some logic here that is escaping me, but I know that it's exhausting trying to relearn the system and that the old way was working well for me so I can't figure out why the change was made. Nor can I figure out why MFP didn't tell users about the change. I emailed FitBit because I assumed there was something wrong with my device. Again, I'm not happy.
Edited by NorthWoodsLee On October 19, 2012 2:47 PM
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October 19, 2012 3:19 PM
Another Fitbit user puzzled about the changes. Am I supposed to eat the calories that show on the "my home" tab, which is my calorie goal or do I eat the calories on the "food" tab, which are variable? I don't sync throughout the day because my dock stays home, some days I don't sync for a few days because my battery is full and i take a weekend trip away from my dock. I will be looking at days worth of negative calories on my food page, the page I look at 3-7 times a day if not more because that's where I lg my food.

I haven't been here two months yet and am still learning how to use the Fitbit data to my benefit here but changing things certainly isn't helping. I am starting to think I might be better off just logging at the Fitbit site and skipping MFP.
October 19, 2012 3:33 PM
When I first linked my FB and MfP there was a post that expanded on why you did ALL your logging on MfP only.
Which is what I do.

Now as am beginning to see people recommending logging exercise on FB.
FB's food database is rubbish. So I will NEVER log my food on there.

PLEASE (again) CAN A MEMBER OF MFP STAFF COMMENT?????
FB cannot capture;
Cycling,elliptical, rower, swimming .
So I would have to use alternatives (cardio machines/MFP) and then enter in FB?
This makes NO sense to me.

Can a member of staff please take the time to provide clarity (no offence to other users - I want to hear an official answer)
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October 19, 2012 3:39 PM
You can log your exercise on FitBit.com and then it ports the calories over to MFP; that should help for stuff that the FItBit doesn't track and still keep your calories as they should be. However... I don't think that should be necessary :(
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October 20, 2012 4:45 AM
QUOTE:

When I first linked my FB and MfP there was a post that expanded on why you did ALL your logging on MfP only.
Which is what I do.

Now as am beginning to see people recommending logging exercise on FB.
FB's food database is rubbish. So I will NEVER log my food on there.

PLEASE (again) CAN A MEMBER OF MFP STAFF COMMENT?????
FB cannot capture;
Cycling,elliptical, rower, swimming .
So I would have to use alternatives (cardio machines/MFP) and then enter in FB?
This makes NO sense to me.

Can a member of staff please take the time to provide clarity (no offence to other users - I want to hear an official answer)


Not a staff member, but throwing my $.02 out there. I understood that you could log exercise on MFP or FB, but not both because that would be double dipping. I log exercise on FB because, simply put, it's with me 24/7 and though it uses the same calculations that MFP does for calories burn (height, weight, gender), I trust it more than what MFP tells me.

Anyway, I've had FB unsynced for a day and MFP is working normally, or rather, how it did before the update.
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October 20, 2012 4:54 AM
Another thread over here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/770812-negative-adjustment

Not sure if I'm in the minority here or if the minority is just more vocal, but I prefer the new way of doing things. I start out the day "in the hole" and as I add Fitbit steps throughout the day my adjustment goes back to "normal." After watching it for the past several days, if my activity levels are the same now as they were pre-change then the adjustment is about the same as well. If I have a really sedentary day, on the other hand, I may see the negative adjustment.

I'm still set to sedentary on both MFP and Fitbit and, despite what I understand could be a negative first impression of that morning calorie deficit, the new changes seem to be working perfectly.

I look at the morning reduction as a motivator to have an active day. At the very worst, in terms of planning my day ahead, I know I can ignore it and focus on my total target --- knowing that, unless I sit still all day, I'll end up getting calories back in any case.
Edited by jasonheyd On October 20, 2012 5:35 AM
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October 20, 2012 6:31 AM
Never had a negative calorie adjustment before and I workout like a mad woman up to 6 times a week and then suddenly it gives me up to -300 calories as I workout? Pretty annoyed and not happy. I constantly erase it from my application and it keeps giving me random negative calories during the day as of a week ago. How do I fix that?????
October 20, 2012 6:48 AM
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Another thread over here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/770812-negative-adjustment

Not sure if I'm in the minority here or if the minority is just more vocal, but I prefer the new way of doing things. I start out the day "in the hole" and as I add Fitbit steps throughout the day my adjustment goes back to "normal." After watching it for the past several days, if my activity levels are the same now as they were pre-change then the adjustment is about the same as well. If I have a really sedentary day, on the other hand, I may see the negative adjustment.

I'm still set to sedentary on both MFP and Fitbit and, despite what I understand could be a negative first impression of that morning calorie deficit, the new changes seem to be working perfectly.

I look at the morning reduction as a motivator to have an active day. At the very worst, in terms of planning my day ahead, I know I can ignore it and focus on my total target --- knowing that, unless I sit still all day, I'll end up getting calories back in any case.


I agree. I don't mind it. It just tells me if I'm being too lazy. If I am, I go into the hole...but it's pretty darn easy to work my way out of it. You generally have a certain number of calories to eat which is what you go for anyway. I sorta know how many steps I need to get more calories so by the time I get home I can tell if I have to eat more. I just do a later snack to eat some of those. I think it's a good reality check.
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