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October 17, 2012 7:12 PM
Hi Folks,

I definitely understand that there's a lot of concern about this change. We're very interested in this dialogue and in making sure that you're happy with our integration with Fitbit.

The reason the estimate may now show as a negative, is that any Fitbit adjustment must be made in relation to our own initial MFP calorie estimate in your profile. Because many users will never integrate a Fitbit, all MFP users start from a static calculated calorie goal. But when a Fitbit is added to the mix, you may learn that that goal is actually a bit high, at least early in the day.

One of the benefits of integrating with Fitbit is that our own MyFitnessPal calorie goal estimates, while we believe them to be accurate enough to help all of our members achieve their weight management goals, are limited to four levels of approximation: sedentary, lightly active, active, and very active.

These are only approximations, and self-reported ones at that. One person's perception of sedentary may be another's lightly active.

Your Fitbit's "idea" of your calorie use starts from a baseline calculated from your age, height, weight and gender (as ours do) but is then constantly updated during the day by your recorded activity level. Fitbit doesn't need to start from a self-reported idea of activity, because it's actually monitoring you. Fitbit starts from zero at the beginning of the day, and works its way up to a calorie total. MyFitnessPal starts at a projected calorie maximum for the day, and then removes from that total when you log food calories.

These are essentially opposite approaches in reporting your calorie needs, and they meet in the middle with the Fitbit Calorie Adjustment.

Previously, your self-reported activity level set a bottom limit to your calorie goal. We didn't have a mechanism in place for allowing Fitbit's data to update your calorie estimate if Fitbit's data suggested that our estimate was too high at any point during the day. With the new change, we start with your MyFitnessPal calorie goal as a 'best guess", but give you what we believe is a more accurate sense of how your activity over the course of the day affects your calorie goal. On very lightly active days, it may well be that you need fewer calories than our estimate, and a negative adjustment at the end of the day will reflect that. If you are active over the course of the day, the adjustment will climb out of the negative and into the positive.

As a thought experiment: would it make a difference in how this change is implemented, if the following took place:

Your MFP baseline goal for calories is 1700

Fitbit suggests to MFP early in the day that you are not very active

MFP goal recalculates to 1500 calories .

You are more active over the course of the day, and your Fitbit syncs again.

MFP Goal shows 1700

You are increasingly active, Fitbit syncs

MFP Goal shows 1900

Does this change the perception of the relationship between Fitbit and MFP? If the goal was presented as an absolute like this (perhaps with a footnote "adjusted by Fitbit") would that improve the experience of the integration? This is more like what you'd see if you were watching your calorie usage from the perspective of your Fitbit account: it would start low and end up high, as the day progressed. I'm not suggesting we can accomplish this, but I'm interested in learning whether the issue is more one of perception, or in actual functionality.

Now compare this to the experience of seeing your adjustment at MFP over the course of the day. So the adjustment in your exercise diary, related to the same values shown above, looks like:

-200

to

0

to

200

This is the same adjustment, but presented as a move from Negative to Positive, because MFP starts from a projected total calorie goal, and Fitbit is now given permission to dial this estimate down OR up, where it used only to be able to dial it up. Is part of the issue that the negative number presents in some way as a penalty? (I think the issue is further complicated by the fact that in the exercise diary, a downward adjustment is presented as a negative number, while the same adjustment is shown as a positive number in the Summary area of the home page, due to the way we present the Net calorie equation there).

If you've born with me this long, i appreciate it. We'd really like to get to the heart of why this change is causing any grief. From our perception, the zero calorie adjustment was always an artificial limit set by our four levels of activity and having no mechanism for showing that your daily projection of calories from Fitbit was below that value at any time.

I definitely understand that those of you who can't sync your Fitbit until later in the day are finding yourselves suddenly presented with a larger increase in calories than you used to see when you were held at a zero adjustment all day. Perhaps we should look into a setting that allows users to limit the adjustment to zero, to offset the experience for those who can't sync until late in the day?

For those who sync regularly, is the negative calorie adjustment problematic for you as well?

If you can help us to understand how this change is feeling like an obstacle rather than an increase in the transparency and accuracy of the data presented (which was our intent) the more likely we can discover if there's a way to meet everyone's needs with the Fitbit integration.

Thanks for your help,
Steven
MyFitnessPal Staff
October 17, 2012 8:11 PM
Ok my question is this. Are the adjustments reliable? Say I get an adjustment of 500 and now you guys are telling me I have that to eat. Is that safe or should I still be cautious? I usually use a heart rate monitor for my exercise and log it but my battery died so until Polar ships it back to me I am relying on fitbit and the adjustments. Thank you.
  23756241
October 17, 2012 8:15 PM
Steven, I was one of the more vocal ones who really HATED this change and found the 'negative' number to be very demotivating. However, I have calmed down somewhat today and have decided to give this new method a chance.

Today I was fairly active and I watched my MFP credit go from a minus this morning (because I am never very active in the morning) to a quite healthy positive after two walks and a treadmill workout this afternoon and evening.

Once I get use to it I may actually find this more motivating. It may make me get off my duff earlier in the day in order to get rid of that nasty negative number.

Resistence to change is quite normal and some of us blushing get quite vehement about it. It just shows how much we LOVE and are addicted to MFP and Fitbit. I think we should all try it for a week and then give you some feedback based on our own individual experiences.

I appreciate you listening to the users.

Cheers, Carole
  15902504
October 17, 2012 9:25 PM
I also was a naysayer to the new adjustments. the two areas of confusion for me were:

1. negative adjustments
2. added exercise not adding full value to exercise totals

when faced with those in combination, it looked as if adding exercise reduced the amount of calories that one could eat in a day.

before I go on, I will say that I kind of like the new adjustments, sort of. now, the bad parts for me.

I would expect that if I did very little in a day, then I would be qualify for sedentary status. before I leave for work or exercise, I am fairly sedentary. I just don't understand why, if calories are prorated correctly throughout the day, why I would wake up with negative adjustments. I am not LESS active than sedentary!! I am precisely sedentary. I should be right on, not below activity level. so, if from midnight to 8, I did nothing to add to my exercise totals (fitbit or manually added activity) I would assume that I would wake up at zero, and my calculated calories for the day would be my allotted total to eat. I suspect that MFP sedentary is different than fitbit sedentary, and that is where the problem lies. If that is true, then I would want to see this reconciled. It seems to me that if I pick SEDENTARY, then there would be NO NEGATIVE adjustments based on lack of activity. Sedentary means no added activity, just living BMR burn rate. I will investigate this after writing this post.

as for the exercise totals, before, manually added exercise of 200 calories added 200 calories to our total allotment for the day. now, what is added is not 200. it is instead 200 MINUS what fitbit records your activity level already was.

example: from 5-6pm I exercise. fitbit says I burned 300 calories during that hour. add the exercise activity to MFP, and MFP says that the exercise would burn 400 calories. in the old days, 400 calories would be added to daily totals. now the 400 calories are added but the fitbit adjustment goes down 300 calories. this is to avoid double counting and is CORRECT. I much prefer this method.

it was the combination of both of these changes that provided the shock about the system changes. now that I understand them, I prefer the exercise adjustment, and I am still working on the "wake up in the morning to negative adjustment."

Thanks for listening,
Daniel
October 17, 2012 10:18 PM
I think this is a positive change. The generic MFP fitness levels are obviously going to be only a very rough approximation of any real person's actual activity levels. On days where I'm even less active than the average sedentary person, it totally makes sense that my calorie goal should be reduced to reflect this. None of us have a problem with MFP increasing our calorie goals when our Fitbits say we've exercised more than our expected activity level - it absolutely makes sense that this should go the other way too.

I'm not sure I really understand people's worries about motivation. If you have a negative adjustment showing in the morning, but know that you do most of your exercise at night, maybe just don't worry about it?

Still, one way around this would be for MFP to use a calculation that takes into account the fact that most people don't burn calories evenly throughout the day. Most people's activity pattern won't be like this - e.g., I'm asleep until 9ish, study most of the day, then do most of my exercise in the evening. It sounds like there are quite a few people who have similar activity patterns.

Maybe MFP could get hold of data showing what proportion of daily calorie expenditure the average person is burning at different times of the day. This could be used to make more accurate estimates during the day of how many calories over or under their expected calories-burned someone is likely to be at the end of the day. (I.e. more accurate Fitbit adjustments).... [feel free to hire me to do this :p ]
Edited by lessfatmatt On October 17, 2012 10:30 PM
October 17, 2012 10:25 PM
QUOTE:

It seems to me that if I pick SEDENTARY, then there would be NO NEGATIVE adjustments based on lack of activity. Sedentary means no added activity, just living BMR burn rate.


I don't think this is quite right. BMR is what you'd burn if you literally lay in bed doing absolutely nothing at all, all day long. Someone who works in front of a computer and does no structured exercise is sedentary, but still burns more than their BMR because of things like walking to and from the bathroom, carpark, kitchen, etc. I'm pretty sure MFP estimates that a "sedentary" person burns a few hundred calories more than their BMR alone each day.
October 17, 2012 11:13 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

It seems to me that if I pick SEDENTARY, then there would be NO NEGATIVE adjustments based on lack of activity. Sedentary means no added activity, just living BMR burn rate.


I don't think this is quite right. BMR is what you'd burn if you literally lay in bed doing absolutely nothing at all, all day long. Someone who works in front of a computer and does no structured exercise is sedentary, but still burns more than their BMR because of things like walking to and from the bathroom, carpark, kitchen, etc. I'm pretty sure MFP estimates that a "sedentary" person burns a few hundred calories more than their BMR alone each day.


Thanks for that. I was giving the minimum argument, trying to be most favorable to the new system. if your statements are true, then we would always be ahead of sedentary. you make the case to be even stronger for no minus adjustments when we wake.
October 17, 2012 11:30 PM
QUOTE:

Thanks for that. I was giving the minimum argument, trying to be most favorable to the new system. if your statements are true, then we would always be ahead of sedentary. you make the case to be even stronger for no minus adjustments when we wake.


No worries. I think you may have misread me a little though. What I'm saying is that if you select your lifestyle type as "sedentary" on MFP, MFP is going to assume that you burn a few hundred calories more per day than your BMR. That's totally reasonable: Real people don't stay *completely* still all day, even if they work in front of a computer and don't do structured exercise.

So MFP makes an estimate of how many calories an average sedentary person burns from exercise each day (somewhere around 300 calories). For some sedentary people this estimate will be quite accurate; some people may tend to burn a bit more than the MFP estimate; and some people will burn even less than the MFP estimate.

This also means that it is absolutely possible for someone to burn even less calories than an average sedentary lifestyle, though, so negative adjustments can be necessary. You will not always be ahead of sedentary.
October 18, 2012 12:21 AM
I love this new feature it gets me off my ass and burning calories earlier through the day :)
  27722912
October 18, 2012 12:35 AM
This is stupid.
I just did stretches, reebok step and swiss ball this morning - which has totally been zeroed out.

The only thing I can think off is that the aim is to have me eat 1200 cals net over the day, and not (my choice of) 1200 PLUS some of whatever I burned.

Yesteday when I came back from the gym there was a minus adjustment which I deleted, and the next time I looked, it had gone up to +8...

So I'll play along, as I have an hour of tennis later on today...

I am set to sedentary on both MFP and FB and I have turned cal estimation off on FB.
I have timezones set correctly on both.
  26587270
October 18, 2012 3:01 AM
I appreciate the discussion and perspectives of all. I am also impressed that the folks at MFP are listening and responding.

What about those of us that travel and cannot sync our FitBits for several days?

I walked for an hour yesterday on a treadmill here at the hotel, 2% incline, and burned about 450 calories. Also, My FitBit was very "happy" with my exercise. However, when I look at yesterday's totals, there is a big negative 356 adjustment. Simply because I could not sync.

One can argue that I should know this and not worry about it until I get home. However, the beauty of MFP is the daily motivation I get from seeing my totals and I lose that ability with this false adjustment.

I would suggest that there be a FitBit adjustment only AFTER it syncs. Eliminate FitBit "assumptions."
October 18, 2012 3:17 AM
I have just started deleting off the fitbit adjustment in the morning and it seems to appear again at the end of the day and catches up - I tend not to eat my fitbit calories - unless its something active such as a purposeful 5 mile walk with the dog then I may eat some of them back, but I do rely on my hrm to use the exact exercise times in to log them and overwrite the fitbit - it is a bit disconcerting to see my calorie intake decreasing when I haven't eaten - but that's just as much to get used to as seeing the exercise diminish if I am having a study day - shrug - as long as I can understand what is happening its fine.

bottom line is it is a free app and interfaces between different types of equipment are at the discretion of MFP so it's good to see that these things are being debated and being taken into consideration.
  12908442
October 18, 2012 3:24 AM
Hi Steven and thanks for taking the time to provide an explanation in this thread.
I have played along today and will shortly be heading off for an hour of tennis.
At the moment, my MFP has "returned" my cals burnt on stretches this morning, and is gradually "returning" my step and swissball session - in a bid to maybe see this as a postive, without injuring myself to get these calories back... I am viewing them as "returned" adjustments.

My general activity is early morning, so the FB is used to track sleep, then is worn throughout the day.
I tend to time certain activities (specific sessions, walking out and about, etc).
Tomorrow in the gym, I will take the calorie estimates from the machine (as normal) but will wear the FB through the sessions (walk/run/walk and then cycle).

This time I won't delete the negative adjustment, post gym (even though it is disheartening to see my swim wiped out!)...

I get how it then ties in with the overall calorie intake plan.... but I think psychologically it will take time to adjust when you see a quarter of your morning gym session wiped out in the first sync or, like this morning, the whole thing gone, and feel like you are earning it back throughout the day.

I will keep watch/update ... but I hope I have understood the aim as detailed above a little better.
Will be in interested in a staff response
  26587270
October 18, 2012 3:33 AM
I have not noticed any negative adjustments on MFP. I have my Fitbit on 24/7 for the most part. MFP is set at sedentary as I feel that is the purpose of the Fitbit. I wear a HRM when I actually exercise and enter that separately. I am home and sync pretty regularly.

Just an FYI from my end.
  23094782
October 18, 2012 3:39 AM
QUOTE:

Dear Fitbit Users,

We just launched a wide range of new partner integrations, and with the launch came an upgrade to our handling of the Fitbit Calorie Adjustment.

Previously, it wasn't possible for us to adjust your calorie goal downward based on your daily activity. This meant MyFitnessPal users needed to "dial down" their profile's activity level in order to make elbow room for the Fitbit Calorie Adjustment to add calories to their Net Calorie Goal.

With today's upgrade, you don't have to worry about your settings at MyFitnessPal. If your projected activity level is lower than our estimated calorie goal at MyFitnessPal, we'll adjust your calorie goal downward with a negative adjustment. As you're more active over the course of the day, and your Fitbit syncs again, the adjustment will reflect your activity.

We believe this will give you a much more accurate sense of your daily activity and how your Fitbit's data is affecting your goals. Please let us know!

Steven
MyFitnessPal Staff


I like it! Thanks! flowerforyou
  8531146
October 18, 2012 3:51 AM
QUOTE:

Hi Steven and thanks for taking the time to provide an explanation in this thread.
I have played along today and will shortly be heading off for an hour of tennis.
At the moment, my MFP has "returned" my cals burnt on stretches this morning, and is gradually "returning" my step and swissball session - in a bid to maybe see this as a postive, without injuring myself to get these calories back... I am viewing them as "returned" adjustments.

My general activity is early morning, so the FB is used to track sleep, then is worn throughout the day.
I tend to time certain activities (specific sessions, walking out and about, etc).
Tomorrow in the gym, I will take the calorie estimates from the machine (as normal) but will wear the FB through the sessions (walk/run/walk and then cycle).

This time I won't delete the negative adjustment, post gym (even though it is disheartening to see my swim wiped out!)...

I get how it then ties in with the overall calorie intake plan.... but I think psychologically it will take time to adjust when you see a quarter of your morning gym session wiped out in the first sync or, like this morning, the whole thing gone, and feel like you are earning it back throughout the day.

I will keep watch/update ... but I hope I have understood the aim as detailed above a little better.
Will be in interested in a staff response


You need to burn the calories set up in your goals. Mine is set at moderately active and I need to burn 2200 cals a day I burn more that that most days but like the option of a rest day so I keep it a little low! I had it set at sedentary but fitbit was adding in nearly 1000 cals at the end of the night and I couldn't plan for that much food so late at night. I was netting in the 600s and miserable but upped my activity level and am much happier now!

Go to home > goals > look in the second line under the blue line to the right what does it say your goal is? How many cals does MFP think you will burn in a day? Is that what fitbit thinks you burn every day on average? if not adjust it up or down to a more comfortable level!

Good luck! smile
  8531146
October 18, 2012 4:34 AM
well since I only sync about once a week and I find a negative number (no matter your reasoning) de-motivating and irratating as all hell - I delete the fitbit adjustment.
  20898444
October 18, 2012 5:08 AM
I have my profile set to sedentary, and now when I get up in the morning, I'm showing -67 calories (even when I use the sleep feature on my FitBit). I don't like this one bit. Having the negative adjustment is not helpful, especially seeing it first thing in the morning; if I wanted it to look like I had a 340 calorie breakfast instead of a 273 calorie one, I'd eat more :P
  10564930
October 18, 2012 5:18 AM
MFP - not digging this at all!! I did a workout this morning yet it still gave me a negative Fit Bit adjustment. That makes no sense!!!
  5404460
October 18, 2012 5:53 AM
This makes the FitBit very inaccurate because on days that I workout on say a stationary bike or laying on a bench bench-pressing and then go to put in my activities, my FitBit thinks I was just sitting or laying around so it takes my exercise calories away from me. I'm about to throw my FitBit out the window and write off the $99 as a waste because obviously no device can get this right. I think subtracting calories is irrelevant because it can't tell exactly what my body is doing if I'm not walking around a room.
  7826215
October 18, 2012 5:57 AM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

Hi Steven and thanks for taking the time to provide an explanation in this thread.
I have played along today and will shortly be heading off for an hour of tennis.
At the moment, my MFP has "returned" my cals burnt on stretches this morning, and is gradually "returning" my step and swissball session - in a bid to maybe see this as a postive, without injuring myself to get these calories back... I am viewing them as "returned" adjustments.

My general activity is early morning, so the FB is used to track sleep, then is worn throughout the day.
I tend to time certain activities (specific sessions, walking out and about, etc).
Tomorrow in the gym, I will take the calorie estimates from the machine (as normal) but will wear the FB through the sessions (walk/run/walk and then cycle).

This time I won't delete the negative adjustment, post gym (even though it is disheartening to see my swim wiped out!)...

I get how it then ties in with the overall calorie intake plan.... but I think psychologically it will take time to adjust when you see a quarter of your morning gym session wiped out in the first sync or, like this morning, the whole thing gone, and feel like you are earning it back throughout the day.

I will keep watch/update ... but I hope I have understood the aim as detailed above a little better.
Will be in interested in a staff response


You need to burn the calories set up in your goals. Mine is set at moderately active and I need to burn 2200 cals a day I burn more that that most days but like the option of a rest day so I keep it a little low! I had it set at sedentary but fitbit was adding in nearly 1000 cals at the end of the night and I couldn't plan for that much food so late at night. I was netting in the 600s and miserable but upped my activity level and am much happier now!

Go to home > goals > look in the second line under the blue line to the right what does it say your goal is? How many cals does MFP think you will burn in a day? Is that what fitbit thinks you burn every day on average? if not adjust it up or down to a more comfortable level!

Good luck! smile


I do., Every day. I do some form of training that hits my target calorie burn every day.

I have just burned around 350 playing tennis for about an hour and a half... that is stopwatched with the FB.
Yet there is a negative adjustment.

I can almost accept it in the morning after a light session, but how can you NEGATE actual calories burned OVER AND ABOVE MY GOALS?

Seriously.
I expected after tennis the deficit would be a positive for the rest of the day.,
This does not make sense to me now at all....

Considering unlinking them....
  26587270
October 18, 2012 6:10 AM
I'm all for MFP trying to make things better and getting the fitbit adjustment more accurate. Personally, if I ate back all the calories that fitbit use to give me, I would not be loosing my goal of 2 lbs / week. So, I do feel there was area for improvement, and I appreciate MFP working to improve this.

However, anyone with a fitbit and MFP over the past 6 months have had issues, from time to time, with the fitbit data not syncing over to MFP. So, when things changed this week, I assumed it was issues with the fitbit integration, and not a change to MFP. So, changes like these should be make more obvious to the user base, so we can process and understand them, instead of trying to figure out what is wrong. My frustrations was the time spent trying to figure something out only to find out through reading forums, that the algorithm has changed. This information should be front and center in MFP, not buried in the forums.

Scott, the formula you provided at the beginning of page 2 of this topic, is very informative. I would love for MFP to provide more details instead of just the "calorie adjustment" value. I would like to see a new a new sub-topic in the web application "Apps / Calorie Adjustment" and on this page it gives details. (would be nice to have in mobile app as well, at least iPhone :).

Goal : 1460 Calories
Fitbit: 200 Calories
300 Calories
100 Overlap with other apps *
200 fitbit only calories
3,500 steps
last synced : 10/18/2012 8:01 am
setting: personalized (obviously, you can only provide what fitbit gives you, but if you get it, share it)
any other useful information you can provide from fitbit so we can better understand our current calorie adjustment
* fitbit calories are not used if another app provides data for the same time period, be sure you have all of your applications synced to the same timezone to insure overlaps are not double counted.

Runtastic: 100 Calories
- 10 minute walk, 20 calories, 7:00 am - 7: 10 am
- 15 minute run, 80 calories , 7:30 am - 7:45 am
(I see this detail in my news feed, so it would be good to put it here as well, be sure to include time so users are made aware of any timezone issues

Current: 1760 calories
Food: 1160 calories
Remaining: 600 calories


If I had this information, it would be easier for me to understand the current adjustment value AND it would help me know if there is an issue with "double counting", an app not syncing, or maybe my activity level is not accurate.

Thoughts???
October 18, 2012 6:16 AM
QUOTE:

Well, this is just as fouled-up (substitute any other phrase you like) as the no option for accepting the Aria scale readings automatically or optionally.

Dear MFP Staff, it is fine that you should use the Fitbit adjustment to bring down the calories burned by activity based on the sync with the Fitbit site. It is not correct to allow the Fitbit adjustment to show a negative number ever.

First, it is a non-motivator to see that you have spent the first half of your normal day (not at the gym or running around the block) and now you have less total calories available to eat than you did when you woke up that morning.

Next, it shows that something is wrong on your logic or the estimate you have established for daily calorie goal for a person. Assume a sedentary setting in MFP goal planing and given the weight, sex, size is all accurate and a choice is to not expect any planned exercise; the daily calorie goal you automatically recommend is for a 1 lb loss per per week reduces the BMR by 20%. Assuming a BMR of 2300 calls this would result in a daily goal of ~1840 Cal. So if a person just didn't do anything and ate no more than 1840 Cal a day, they should theoretically lose 1 lb a week, but if you were ill and stayed in bed the Fitbit would record very little normal activity, so your negative adjustment means that the person has a negative calorie adjustment to the daily (already reduced from BMR) goal. This conceivably means a sick person would be directed to eat less to meet the reduced calorie goal; indeed, less than 20% below the minimum to maintain bodily function. I would assume this is something that you do not want to encourage.

For those two reasons alone, you should not adjust the entry to a negative number. You can just as easily let the entry remain at zero until some positive effect can be recorded.


Your calorie goal is not a deficit on BRM it is a deficit on TDEE. If you were lying in bed all day sick you would be burning close to your BMR, probably pretty close to the sedentary setting here since you would still be getting up occasionally to go to the washroom, and other movement which would be pretty much what is included in the sedentary setting.

As to the negative adjustment, it is only demotivating, assuming it is working, if it is seen that way. Remember the fitbit is not a HRM, it is not a measure of your individual exercise, it is instead meant to estimate you TDEE based on your all day activity. If that activity it not as much as it was, the negative number could instead be seen as motivation to get moving more.
  3004823
October 18, 2012 6:42 AM
QUOTE:


I'm not sure I really understand people's worries about motivation. If you have a negative adjustment showing in the morning, but know that you do most of your exercise at night, maybe just don't worry about it?



For me... the ONLY activity I do where I cannot actually measure my activity is swimming.
For cardio - I take the readings off the machines
For commuting/walking around town - FB
For tennis/Wii games etc - FB,

These are measurable activities where I have a decent chance of an accurate calorie burn +/- a few

I aim to work out 3 times a week... normally manage 3 days a week at the gym, a couple of light sessions on my rest day and maybe one session on a Saturday.

With the exception of last week when I was sick with a cold and only did 21 cals worth of stretching a day... I try and keep my weekly activities up.

So I'm afraid it IS bothering me that calories burnt are being negated for no good reason I can think of
  26587270
October 18, 2012 6:51 AM
This negative value when I've chosen sedentary is what I dislike about the update. I have chosen sedentary, but in the morning I'm up at 7, showering, making breakfast for my son, packing lunch, feeding the cat, taking him to school. Not exactly active, but not sitting on my butt either. Then I start work, which is an office job, but I make sure I get up at least every 30 mins and walk around. Why do I have a negative value all day? Surely I'm at least at the baseline for sedentary. I really dislike seeing the negative value all day. Also, as I'm carefully watching my ratios of carbs/fats/protein and eat more carbs in the first half of the day, these are messed up early in the day because of the deficit and I need to calculate manually. This defeats the purpose of MFP.

It would be great if there were an option to opt out of this new way of calculating things.

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