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November 13, 2012 6:34 AM
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I was referring to the "FitBit is reporting the numbers as normal, MFP is not" statement when I said "semantics". :)



No, what I stated was correct, even the confused "explanations" from MFP staff admit that - they say they are playing with the correct numbers from FitBit and adding (or subtracting!) their own fudge-factor.

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In any case, there're now 15 pages of explanations of what's going on here. Hopefully folks take the time to parse what's been said, and hopefully MFP figures out a better way to handle entering exercise data via MFP.

With luck, we'll get another few pages of repetition and this thread will self-lock so that it's not at the top of my active topics every day. ;-)


I hope for the former paragraph rather than the latter!
November 13, 2012 11:34 AM
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November 13, 2012 3:50 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

I was referring to the "FitBit is reporting the numbers as normal, MFP is not" statement when I said "semantics". :)


No, what I stated was correct, even the confused "explanations" from MFP staff admit that - they say they are playing with the correct numbers from FitBit and adding (or subtracting!) their own fudge-factor.


I wasn't saying you're incorrect. It just struck me as saying basically the same thing in a different way.

Nice thing about conversations about semantics is that they so often devolve into conversations about the semantics of semantics. ;-)

In any case, I get how it all works. I get that people don't like it. I just don't agree that -- in general -- it's inaccurate, wrong, or abnormal (again, except for the funky way they're handling exercise that's entered into MFP instead of into FB).
  1897001
November 15, 2012 6:45 PM
Bumping this to the front because people still have questions.
  18511156
November 15, 2012 6:57 PM
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November 15, 2012 8:04 PM
See, my problem with the fitbit negative is when i was listening to the numbers, i wasn't eating enough because i hadn't realized I had burned 800 or more at work, logged shipping or anything strenuous and that the negative fitbit was reducing that number, so i was burning way more calories than I was allowing myself to eat until it was taking a toll on me. I noticed again, this week, same thing...and when i remove the negative, it adds it right back in again so the allotted calories is not a safe amount for me. Also if you don't wear the fitbit, i left it at home one day and then worked like a dog at my job, the stupid thing kept deducting every exercise i put in there and i had to keep manually removing it. I just looked again now for fun..and it had gone in and deducted all those calories again..so it throws off the weekly loss/gain totals.
I love that fitbit adds in when you haven't really exercised, because i really did want to see how much I was doing at my job, but i see the negatives as being possibly quite dangerous to some people, if they are not big eaters to begin with...i tend to miss meals and have to force myself to eat, so i was using the numbers to try and force myself the minimal amount of calories, for people like that who are not trying to completely limit intake but often have to force to reach it...the negative fitbit can be quite dangerous..I don't deny in the least I tend towards the anorexic side of eating...MFP needs to take into account where it may benefit some people who are listed for a minimum caloric amount 1800 or upwards..the ones listed at 1200 really need to eat enough to get to that point and if any actual strenuous exercise they do is being removed because it didn't have enough actual steps, then it starts to get to dangerously low levels for those people.
Same with on the fitbit site...I have seen days on my weekend where I am lazy because all week long if i ate 1000 calories a day I was doing good, and it will list me as 400 calories for the day, which is proven to be dangerous. Both should take into account a full weeks average for these things and not be deducting on an hour to hour basis. I know common sense says don't take numbers to heart, but there are people out there who follow guidelines like these to the T in hopes of losing weight, or try to starve themselves like i tend to do.
I think if it does have to do negative adjustments..it should never be allowed to even venture below the minimum caloric requirements. You had a lazy day fine...but you still need that 1200 or 1400 or 1800 calories to survive, so the fitbit adjuster should never be deducting an additional 300 from that total because you are taking a required day off from working out. Same with the actual fitbit site...it should never be going below that required amount to sustain yourself, because people will abide by those figures and will hurt themselves in the long run.
  27767434
November 15, 2012 10:49 PM
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Since I don't exercise until the evenings I get to look at a BIG FAT NEGATIVE that only gets bigger as my day progresses noway Doesn't do much for my motivation factor...


^This! I wear my FB all day, but since my base charger is at home it doesnt register anything until evening, so all day now MFP (which i log while at work) keeps lowering my calorie goal, then I get home and it jumps back up. Maybe once i get a bluetooth version that can sync with my phone it will work out better since they will both be up to date more often.


^^ this exactly
November 16, 2012 5:16 AM
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I wear my FB all day, but since my base charger is at home it doesnt register anything until evening, so all day now MFP (which i log while at work) keeps lowering my calorie goal, then I get home and it jumps back up. Maybe once i get a bluetooth version that can sync with my phone it will work out better since they will both be up to date more often.


^^ this exactly


Yes, the Fitbit One would help with that because it could sync with the phone in your pocket throughout the day.

I experience the same thing when I'm at work for the day... It's not a huge deal for me since I exercise at night, so my daytime activity is pretty consistently low (desk job) but, in general, I just keep in mind that I'm going to get a few hundred calories worth of exercise in the evening. Just a little mental arithmetic keeps things in line.
  1897001
November 17, 2012 6:41 AM
When you buy the tech, you shouldn't have to do arithmetic nor upgrade to the bluetooth because your base station is at home.

This is how FB is trying to force people into their new bluetooth tech.

Very disappointing they just started doing this and didn't communicate the change to the user base. Also, their marketing department obviously didn't do the research prior to this shift in approach.

They had a good thing going, now I'm looking for new non-FB tech. Anybody have any alternative suggestions?

BTW - tried the nike fuel band thing - what a joke. Plus it is ugly "jewelry".

Help!
November 17, 2012 7:13 AM
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When you buy the tech, you shouldn't have to do arithmetic nor upgrade to the bluetooth because your base station is at home.

This is how FB is trying to force people into their new bluetooth tech.

Very disappointing they just started doing this and didn't communicate the change to the user base. Also, their marketing department obviously didn't do the research prior to this shift in approach.

They had a good thing going, now I'm looking for new non-FB tech. Anybody have any alternative suggestions?

BTW - tried the nike fuel band thing - what a joke. Plus it is ugly "jewelry".

Help!


I don't really think Fitbit is forcing anyone to upgrade. Companies improve products over time... Some of it's to get customers to upgrade, some of it's to keep pace with or ahead of the competition. That's the nature of the beast.

You could check out the Striiv Play. It's similar to the Fitbit, but my guess is you're still going to have to jump through some of the same hoops to take full advantage of the tool, no matter which tool you choose. It's all estimation & there's bound to be some basic math & common sense required to fill in the gaps.
  1897001
November 17, 2012 9:34 AM
I STILL don't understand the FitBit negative adjustment. I just went to the gym and was on the elliptical for 35 minutes and ran on the treadmill for 15 minutes. Why do I have a -83 adjustment taking away from all the exercise I just did.

I literally JUST got my Fitbit in the mail yesterday and I'm already annoyed with having it synced in with this if it is going to take AWAY from the hard work I do at the gym.
  11761958
November 17, 2012 9:51 AM
QUOTE:

When you buy the tech, you shouldn't have to do arithmetic nor upgrade to the bluetooth because your base station is at home.

This is how FB is trying to force people into their new bluetooth tech.

Very disappointing they just started doing this and didn't communicate the change to the user base. Also, their marketing department obviously didn't do the research prior to this shift in approach.

They had a good thing going, now I'm looking for new non-FB tech. Anybody have any alternative suggestions?

BTW - tried the nike fuel band thing - what a joke. Plus it is ugly "jewelry".

Help!


It's not FitBit - it's MFP that have made the change to how they *interpret* FitBit data. FitBit have not changed anything in the way they report things.
November 17, 2012 9:54 AM
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I STILL don't understand the FitBit negative adjustment. I just went to the gym and was on the elliptical for 35 minutes and ran on the treadmill for 15 minutes. Why do I have a -83 adjustment taking away from all the exercise I just did.

I literally JUST got my Fitbit in the mail yesterday and I'm already annoyed with having it synced in with this if it is going to take AWAY from the hard work I do at the gym.


FitBit is not taking anything away from your hard work. However MyFitnessPal is. Don't confuse what is reported on MFP with what is actually being logged by FitBit.
November 17, 2012 10:03 AM
True, but I am mostly looking at MFP versus looking at what FB's dashboard says just because I like how this looks and the ease of this versus FB's dashboard.
  11761958
November 17, 2012 10:04 AM
I just want to know WHY I'm getting a negative adjustment. I don't care who is to blame for it, I want to know the logic and understanding behind negative adjustments. In plain English for those of us that don't under software.
  11761958
November 17, 2012 12:11 PM
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I just want to know WHY I'm getting a negative adjustment. I don't care who is to blame for it, I want to know the logic and understanding behind negative adjustments. In plain English for those of us that don't under software.


This is how I understand it:

You told MFP your activity level, right? Sedentary, Lightly Active, etc.. MFP calculated the amount of calories it thinks you will burn in a day. If you're wearing your Fitbit during exercise or all day and get next to your computer so Fitbit can sync up, it shares data with MFP. Well, if you've been less active than MFP thinks you should be (using the Fibit data), it gives the negative adjustment (taking calories away) and makes your total daily calories less than what it was before all the syncing.
  18511156
November 17, 2012 12:26 PM
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So my Fitbit calorie adjustment this morning just added +89 calories. As in, eating 89 calories. Pretty sure I didn't eat my Fitbit.

What gives?


Same thing happened to me when I went to log my breakfast this morning.
  8099770
November 17, 2012 2:02 PM
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I just want to know WHY I'm getting a negative adjustment. I don't care who is to blame for it, I want to know the logic and understanding behind negative adjustments. In plain English for those of us that don't under software.


See: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/770833-update-negative-fitbit-adjustment-debuts

I've also replied to your other post on page 10 of that thread, here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/770833-update-negative-fitbit-adjustment-debuts?page=10
  1897001
November 17, 2012 2:12 PM
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So my Fitbit calorie adjustment this morning just added +89 calories. As in, eating 89 calories. Pretty sure I didn't eat my Fitbit.

What gives?


Same thing happened to me when I went to log my breakfast this morning.


Again, see: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/770833-update-negative-fitbit-adjustment-debuts

The explanation that zyxst provided above pretty much sums it up.

To keep things as sane as possible, I'd recommend the following:

(1) Make sure that both Fitbit and MFP are configured for the same target calories and the same activity level (e.g. mine are both set to "sedentary" and I've customized by daily target calories to make sure they match).

(2) Make sure you're entering your exercise into Fitbit and not MFP; otherwise, MFP will subtract any manually entered exercise calories from the activity calories that Fitbit's saying you've burned.

(3) Turn calorie estimation off on the Fitbit side.

A few other things to expect:

(1) You probably won't get any adjustment until you sync your Fitbit.

(2) If you sync in the morning, you'll likely start out with the "negative adjustment".

(3) As you accumulate activity, tracked by your Fitbit throughout the day, and assuming you're syncing periodically, that "negative adjustment" will gradually approach zero and then swing in the other direction.

(4) If you sync in the morning and then don't sync again until the evening, then you'll probably see an immediate and larger swing from negative straight to positive. That can make it hard to plan your day.

(5) If you're really sedentary on a given day, or you don't wear your Fitbit, you could end up with a negative adjustment at the end of the day.

(6) If you exercise at night & enter that data into Fitbit (like I do), you could end up with a BIG positive adjustment at the end of the day. That, too, can make it hard to plan... If you're eating to your available calories and suddenly find yourself with 600 more, you might be tempted to swing out to Mickey D's for a late night Big Mac. ;-)

For both #4 and #6, some basic math & common sense goes a long way... You know how active you are today compared to other days and you probably have a rough idea of how many calories your exercise is going to burn, so keep those things in mind as you're figuring out what to eat & how much exercise to do.

No matter how you look at it, these are just tools to help you along & keeping things like that in mind will help you use those tools instead of feeling screwed by them. :)
Edited by jasonheyd On November 17, 2012 2:13 PM
  1897001
November 20, 2012 8:20 PM
Thank you for listening and making the negative adjustment an optional feature. I was surprised you set the default value to not calculate a negative value but am pleased I no longer have to play a guessing game through out my day.
November 20, 2012 8:43 PM
Dear MyFitnessPal Fitbit Users,

We've been looking closely at the question of how best to incorporate the calorie data from these devices. While we have further improvements on the way, we're announcing an update today that will let you customize the way your tracker's data affects your daily calorie goal.

We've added a setting that controls how calorie adjustments lower than zero are accounted for in your Exercise Diary.

A negative calorie adjustment means that your projected calorie burn for the day from the partner is below MyFitnessPal's initial estimate. By default, negative calorie adjustments will now be changed to a value of zero. If you prefer, you may opt to enable negative calorie adjustments to appear, which will decrease your food calorie goal on low-activity days.

We recommend leaving negative adjustments off, if:
- you do not expect to wear your tracking device consistently
- your device can only sync occasionally, or only late in the day
- you wish to use the device only for the motivational experience of earning additional calories from exercise

We recommend enabling negative adjustments if:
- you expect to wear your tracking device consistently
- your device is able to sync its data multiple times over the course of the day
- you would like the most accurate calorie feedback MyFitnessPal can provide

To enable negative calorie adjustments, log in to your account at http://www.myfitnesspal.com, then go to My Home > Settings > Diary settings.

For more information on MyFitnessPal's integration with each partner, please visit MyFitnessPal's Help section:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/help/section/65-fitbit-integration

Regards,
Rachel
MyFitnessPal Staff
November 20, 2012 9:53 PM
Well wow! Thanks for listening MFP ... Will see what happens today now after a gym session this am
Edited by rfsatar On November 20, 2012 9:58 PM
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November 21, 2012 3:19 AM
Woohoo! - thanks for that MFP -now I can get back to how things were before . hopefully everything works well again.

It was great to see the change as I had my most active day of the week this week at work and wouldn't you know it forgot to wear my Fitbit!
  13809426
November 21, 2012 5:16 AM
Thank you for making it optional.
  18511156
November 21, 2012 5:50 AM
Thank you for listening MFP!!! You Rock!
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