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October 8, 2012 2:23 PM
Okay, so I have to write a paper--struggling with a precise topic so I thought by opening it up here I MIGHT find a good topic simply due to gauging how people actually feel about the issue.

What are your feelings about race-based affirmative action? How do you think it would/does impact society?
October 8, 2012 2:29 PM
I have it to thank for getting me through graduate school, so I'm all for it.

JK with this post btw, as I was one of 3 white males out of 40 or so in our department.
Edited by taylor5877 On October 8, 2012 2:41 PM
October 8, 2012 2:33 PM
Depends on method and context.
October 8, 2012 2:34 PM
How liberal is the teacher grading your paper?
October 8, 2012 2:38 PM
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How liberal is the teacher grading your paper?


yeah, in all seriousness I wouldn't touch that one. The most controversial thing I ever wrote about was Bush's handling of his appointed committee on stem cell research.
October 8, 2012 2:40 PM
It's despicable and terribly immoral. That said, I would not write about it in an academic setting. Professors are generally some of the most closed-minded, egotistical individuals on the planet.
Edited by trojanbb On October 8, 2012 2:41 PM
October 8, 2012 2:45 PM
Maybe you should research the issue ... and do your own homework! wink
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October 8, 2012 2:50 PM
I'm totally against race based affirmative action.... as a white person... that's right I admit it.... I'm white... .I was raised by my parents to be tolerant of all races..... and I grew up believing that all races are equal. fundamentally I still believe that

... however... as an adult.... I am so sick and tired of having racism shoved down my throat....I am sick of making allowances for people because of their race and culture.... I am tired of having to look the other way and turn the other cheek when people of a different race or god forbid religion are just flat out RUDE.... now I know that white people are rude too... but when a white person makes the slightest misstep they are castigated as being racist to the point where it is no longer safe to even make THIS statement..... someone somewhere will have already decided based on what I just wrote that I too am a racist.....

I'm not racist I believe that every individual on earth has the capacity be either good or bad....and I believe that people should be judged on who they are , how they behave and what they think..... and that should be in all situations... whether it's employment, education or social situations.... and I'm tired of people using this as an excuse to get benefits that they simply are not entitled to.....

we will NOT be equal until we ACCEPT that we are, as individuals and as a society as a whole... it cannot be legislated....

ducks flowerforyou
  11987728
October 8, 2012 2:54 PM
QUOTE:

Maybe you should research the issue ... and do your own homework! wink


RUDE! Do you not think I have researched/done my own homework. Theoretical research and "studies" only go so far. I'm asking for real world, real life, modern day opinions.

I've researched this topic for YEARS. Thank you for your unhelpful and downright rude reply.
October 8, 2012 2:56 PM
The class is incredibly liberal, in general, so I'm not worried about pissing anyone off. I moreso want to get a feel for why people feel the way they feel about it. I am kind of torn about it--as a biracial individual I think my situation is somewhat different than monoracials and I've struggled with both sides (for and against this method).
October 8, 2012 3:04 PM
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-as a biracial individual I think my situation is somewhat different than monoracials...


Biracialism is much more common than most people imagine. My family is biracial but because of the way I look, it never occurs to people or comes up as a topic.
Edited by southcarolinaguy On October 8, 2012 3:05 PM
October 8, 2012 3:35 PM
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-as a biracial individual I think my situation is somewhat different than monoracials...


Biracialism is much more common than most people imagine. My family is biracial but because of the way I look, it never occurs to people or comes up as a topic.


Well phenotypically I do not fit one OR the other so that's likely why my perspective is different.
October 8, 2012 3:39 PM
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How liberal is the teacher grading your paper?


yeah, in all seriousness I wouldn't touch that one. The most controversial thing I ever wrote about was Bush's handling of his appointed committee on stem cell research.


^^ I think it is an outdated and unnessesary concept
  26997672
October 8, 2012 3:45 PM
QUOTE:

I'm totally against race based affirmative action.... as a white person... that's right I admit it.... I'm white... .I was raised by my parents to be tolerant of all races..... and I grew up believing that all races are equal. fundamentally I still believe that

... however... as an adult.... I am so sick and tired of having racism shoved down my throat....I am sick of making allowances for people because of their race and culture.... I am tired of having to look the other way and turn the other cheek when people of a different race or god forbid religion are just flat out RUDE.... now I know that white people are rude too... but when a white person makes the slightest misstep they are castigated as being racist to the point where it is no longer safe to even make THIS statement..... someone somewhere will have already decided based on what I just wrote that I too am a racist.....

I'm not racist I believe that every individual on earth has the capacity be either good or bad....and I believe that people should be judged on who they are , how they behave and what they think..... and that should be in all situations... whether it's employment, education or social situations.... and I'm tired of people using this as an excuse to get benefits that they simply are not entitled to.....

we will NOT be equal until we ACCEPT that we are, as individuals and as a society as a whole... it cannot be legislated....

ducks flowerforyou


This. I complete agree with this statement.
October 8, 2012 3:46 PM
I agree that you may want to find a different topic...unless your class is all about controversial topics such as this which may very well be the case. Personally I don't like affirmative action. I do believe in equal opportunity, but not affirmative action. I believe that all candidates should receive opportunities based on their merits alone, not on the colour of their skin. It is not fair for whites to be ahead all of the time because they are white. Likewise it is not fair for non-white people to always get positions just because of affirmative action. The best candidate should be selected because they have the best things to offer regardless of whether they are white, black, yellow, or green with purple polka dots.
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October 8, 2012 3:47 PM
Wow I must have been sleep I thought affirmative action went away in the 90's haven't heard that word in a long time huh
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October 8, 2012 4:04 PM
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QUOTE:

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-as a biracial individual I think my situation is somewhat different than monoracials...


Biracialism is much more common than most people imagine. My family is biracial but because of the way I look, it never occurs to people or comes up as a topic.


Well phenotypically I do not fit one OR the other so that's likely why my perspective is different.


Exactly my situation. I just don't use big words. ;-)
October 8, 2012 4:13 PM
QUOTE:

... however... as an adult.... I am so sick and tired of having racism shoved down my throat....I am sick of making allowances for people because of their race and culture.... I am tired of having to look the other way and turn the other cheek when people of a different race or god forbid religion are just flat out RUDE.... now I know that white people are rude too... but when a white person makes the slightest misstep they are castigated as being racist to the point where it is no longer safe to even make THIS statement..... someone somewhere will have already decided based on what I just wrote that I too am a racist.....


Ditto. What makes you any more entitled, white black or otherwise? And why should I treat you any differently than I would anyone else based on race? If we're all "equal" as we claim to be, why do we still shout racism every 5 seconds?

You shouldn't get any special treatment no matter what your circumstance. You're a human.
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October 8, 2012 4:13 PM
wow I completely didn`t even consider that my own children are bi-racial.... my husband was part black.... oops african american... no wait Canadian american... I mean African Canadian.... oh screw it.... they`re just my kids.... no wonder I forgot
  11987728
October 8, 2012 4:15 PM
I don't have a problem with Affirmative Action. I work for a public institution in the South that is more progressive than most, yet I can tell you that our workforce could definitely use more diversity of race, age, creed, you name it. Our hiring practices include additional checks and balances to ensure that we have considered all qualified candidates. I have never seen this Affirmative Action used to force departments to hire someone who was not qualified for the job.
October 8, 2012 4:19 PM
QUOTE:

I'm totally against race based affirmative action.... as a white person... that's right I admit it.... I'm white... .I was raised by my parents to be tolerant of all races..... and I grew up believing that all races are equal. fundamentally I still believe that

... however... as an adult.... I am so sick and tired of having racism shoved down my throat....I am sick of making allowances for people because of their race and culture.... I am tired of having to look the other way and turn the other cheek when people of a different race or god forbid religion are just flat out RUDE.... now I know that white people are rude too... but when a white person makes the slightest misstep they are castigated as being racist to the point where it is no longer safe to even make THIS statement..... someone somewhere will have already decided based on what I just wrote that I too am a racist.....

I'm not racist I believe that every individual on earth has the capacity be either good or bad....and I believe that people should be judged on who they are , how they behave and what they think..... and that should be in all situations... whether it's employment, education or social situations.... and I'm tired of people using this as an excuse to get benefits that they simply are not entitled to.....

we will NOT be equal until we ACCEPT that we are, as individuals and as a society as a whole... it cannot be legislated....

ducks flowerforyou


i am quoting this not to respond to the writer, but as an example of why you shouldn't be asking an internet community filled with people who don't know wtf they are talking about, about anti-oppression strategies. affirmative action has roots, and racism is super prevalent all over the world, even in this women's backyard, but because it is covert people don't take the time to think about and/or analyze it. affirmative action plans would probably work really well if it wasn't as "race/colour" based as it was about Socioeconomic status...which is often lower in black and aboriginal communities. so I do think it is important to give people opportunity and address the unequalities and class divides.

do not take anyone's info as even a starting point for your research, if you need opinions you should connect with some african, aboriginal, afghani (etc.) community and advocacy centres. they do have academics that are connected with these places that know the research.....

please no one listen to ignorant comments like the one above....no offence lady
October 8, 2012 4:21 PM
QUOTE:

The class is incredibly liberal, in general, so I'm not worried about pissing anyone off. I moreso want to get a feel for why people feel the way they feel about it. I am kind of torn about it--as a biracial individual I think my situation is somewhat different than monoracials and I've struggled with both sides (for and against this method).


you should totally focus your paper just on the ignorance surrounding affirmative action and the biases associated, i think it keeps it factual and safe
October 8, 2012 4:24 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

The class is incredibly liberal, in general, so I'm not worried about pissing anyone off. I moreso want to get a feel for why people feel the way they feel about it. I am kind of torn about it--as a biracial individual I think my situation is somewhat different than monoracials and I've struggled with both sides (for and against this method).


you should totally focus your paper just on the ignorance surrounding affirmative action and the biases associated, i think it keeps it factual and safe


You definitely want to keep it factual and unbiased unless you are also very liberal.
  26997672
October 8, 2012 4:24 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

I'm totally against race based affirmative action.... as a white person... that's right I admit it.... I'm white... .I was raised by my parents to be tolerant of all races..... and I grew up believing that all races are equal. fundamentally I still believe that

... however... as an adult.... I am so sick and tired of having racism shoved down my throat....I am sick of making allowances for people because of their race and culture.... I am tired of having to look the other way and turn the other cheek when people of a different race or god forbid religion are just flat out RUDE.... now I know that white people are rude too... but when a white person makes the slightest misstep they are castigated as being racist to the point where it is no longer safe to even make THIS statement..... someone somewhere will have already decided based on what I just wrote that I too am a racist.....

I'm not racist I believe that every individual on earth has the capacity be either good or bad....and I believe that people should be judged on who they are , how they behave and what they think..... and that should be in all situations... whether it's employment, education or social situations.... and I'm tired of people using this as an excuse to get benefits that they simply are not entitled to.....

we will NOT be equal until we ACCEPT that we are, as individuals and as a society as a whole... it cannot be legislated....

ducks flowerforyou


i am quoting this not to respond to the writer, but as an example of why you shouldn't be asking an internet community filled with people who don't know wtf they are talking about, about anti-oppression strategies. affirmative action has roots, and racism is super prevalent all over the world, even in this women's backyard, but because it is covert people don't take the time to think about and/or analyze it. affirmative action plans would probably work really well if it wasn't as "race/colour" based as it was about Socioeconomic status...which is often lower in black and aboriginal communities. so I do think it is important to give people opportunity and address the unequalities and class divides.

do not take anyone's info as even a starting point for your research, if you need opinions you should connect with some african, aboriginal, afghani (etc.) community and advocacy centres. they do have academics that are connected with these places that know the research.....

please no one listen to ignorant comments like the one above....no offence lady


see? see what I mean??? and this is why I`m against it.... I view all people as equal.... and I think It`s demeaning to everyone to say that acceptance has to be FORCED upon us... and just by saying my own views out.loud.... I`m considered ignorant....

sighs.... ducking my white head in shame.......

oh yeah.... and offence taken :)
Edited by jazzalea On October 8, 2012 4:39 PM
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October 8, 2012 4:30 PM
Affirmative action, in my opinion, is a tool that society has designed to *attempt* to address the overwhelming white culture of the US and the racial microaggressions that minorities (of varying races, genders, sexual orientations, religions, etc.) deal with on a daily basis. I think that affirmative action has its place - it can be used well. However, it can also be used poorly and serve to further segregate society into a majority/minority culture rather than a holistic one. I am of the opinion that affirmative action would no longer be necessary in an ideal world. BUT we do not live in an ideal world. Because we live in a world marked by white majority and microaggressions, affirmative action is one of the many tools dedicated to bridging the gaps between cultures.

Looking forward to reading everyone else's responses.

Best of luck on your paper!!

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