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September 6, 2012 5:54 AM
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Assuming she's a fat burner and not a sugar (carb) burner, this should work fine.
How do you know which you are?
  8198610
September 6, 2012 6:07 AM
everybody has the same pathways; the metabolic pathway depends on the intensity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_systems
Edited by PercivalHackworth On September 6, 2012 6:07 AM
September 6, 2012 6:09 AM
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The point of carb loading is to to ensure your glycogen stores are full for race day. Your body will look to glycogen (carb) stores first when you are running and when depleted will draw from other fuel sources (and you will probably hit "the wall" as well...)

Now, your body's capacity to store glycogen is limited (so there's no need to go nuts with the carbs - pardon the pun) and is generally sufficient for about 90 minutes running or so. If your run will exceed that time you will need to think about supplementing during it. If it's less, then three or four days prior to your race just eat more carbs per day to the extent that you feel comfortable with the foodstuff you generally like and know you can handle and a carb rich meal the evening before. Trying new stuff maybe counter productive if it doesn't agree with you.

In reality, if it's a non competitive fun run gig then all of the above maybe completely unnecessary. Just eat sensibly and enjoy it...


As usual, great answers. An interesting study compared two athletes with roughly the same level. Their intensity and duration on effort has been measured between they both "hit the wall". The first one had an omega3/6 supplementation while the second didn't. The first have been able to run an extra time before "hitting the wall". Ingesting lipids next to a proper CHO storing ensures better performances for such :)
September 6, 2012 6:16 AM
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As usual, great answers. An interesting study compared two athletes with roughly the same level. Their intensity and duration on effort has been measured between they both "hit the wall". The first one had an omega3/6 supplementation while the second didn't. The first have been able to run an extra time before "hitting the wall". Ingesting lipids next to a proper CHO storing ensures better performances for such :)


That's pretty cool. So supplementing with certain fats as well may add an advantage in performance? Presumably their carb levels were held constant.

I will give that go. Thanks for the heads up my friend.
September 6, 2012 6:17 AM
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Potatoes - Sweet or white. (I think white is considered paleo by some)
Lara Bars - Only the coconut cream one is primal
Fruit - Lots of it


Most of the Kind bars are Primal / Paleo (honey, dried fruit and nuts)
September 6, 2012 6:27 AM
huh Does anyone on here even know what IS Paleo and what IS NOT Paleo...?
September 6, 2012 6:29 AM
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huh Does anyone on here even know what IS Paleo and what IS NOT Paleo...?


my thoughts exactly!

i probably have a red mark on my head from all the facepalms.
  8605141
September 6, 2012 6:31 AM
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huh Does anyone on here even know what IS Paleo and what IS NOT Paleo...?


Yes, what are you referencing specifically?

Fruit
Vegetables
Natural Fats (coconut oil, animal fats, ghee, olive oil, etc)
Proteins (eggs, meat)
Nuts / seeds that are low in Omega 6 and higher in Omega 3
Raw Honey used sparingly

Raw Dairy if the body is tolerant

Safe starches: Potatoes (both sweet and white), bananas, white rice

Most of the safe starches should be eaten when the person is at goal and working on specific athletic goals. Should be avoided or eaten very sparingly if there are metabolic issues.
September 6, 2012 6:34 AM
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Legumes, fruits (careful... its all sugar. Moderation and timing.) , vegetables are NOT valid carb source, beans, starches.

Paleo is omits the use of grains and wheat as they are annual monocrops introduced as a dietary staple via agriculture and irrigation. Paleo relies on carb sources from perennial plants not containing gluten. These are your fruits for sugars and roots/legumes/beans for starch.


Ok, Legumes are NOT Paleo or Primal.

Vegetables ARE valid carb sources, this is where we should be getting the bulk of our carbs eating this way.

Starches should NOT come from legumes. Starches should come from bananas, sweet potatoes and possibly white rice.
September 6, 2012 6:35 AM
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huh Does anyone on here even know what IS Paleo and what IS NOT Paleo...?


my thoughts exactly!

i probably have a red mark on my head from all the facepalms.


I didn't read through all of the comments, but was face palming myself after I read your comment and went back to read the comments, especially on the first page.
September 6, 2012 6:37 AM
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Legumes, fruits (careful... its all sugar. Moderation and timing.) , vegetables are NOT valid carb source, beans, starches.

Paleo is omits the use of grains and wheat as they are annual monocrops introduced as a dietary staple via agriculture and irrigation. Paleo relies on carb sources from perennial plants not containing gluten. These are your fruits for sugars and roots/legumes/beans for starch.


Ok, Legumes are NOT Paleo or Primal.

Vegetables ARE valid carb sources, this is where we should be getting the bulk of our carbs eating this way.

Starches should NOT come from legumes. Starches should come from bananas, sweet potatoes and possibly white rice.


Thank you! All this talk of legumes was getting me really confused.
  5444783
September 6, 2012 7:21 AM
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huh Does anyone on here even know what IS Paleo and what IS NOT Paleo...?


my thoughts exactly!

i probably have a red mark on my head from all the facepalms.


I didn't read through all of the comments, but was face palming myself after I read your comment and went back to read the comments, especially on the first page.


exactly...
September 6, 2012 7:22 AM
Someone asked about getting carbs from things that aren't grains... Legumes may not be paleo but they aren't grains.
  11794180
September 6, 2012 7:26 AM
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Someone asked about getting carbs from things that aren't grains... Legumes may not be paleo but they aren't grains.

And it was prefaced by saying that OP is eating paleo. Does everything have to be spelled out that clearly?
September 6, 2012 7:34 AM
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Someone asked about getting carbs from things that aren't grains... Legumes may not be paleo but they aren't grains.


i wouldn't suggest eating meat to a vegetarian looking for ways to get protien. so why would i suggest legumes to someone who's diet doesn't include them?
  8605141
September 6, 2012 7:36 AM
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Someone asked about getting carbs from things that aren't grains... Legumes may not be paleo but they aren't grains.


i wouldn't suggest eating meat to a vegetarian looking for ways to get protien. so why would i suggest legumes to someone who's diet doesn't include them?


Honestly, I'm not a paleo person and it seems paleo may mean different things to different people (as evidenced through this thread, OP asked specifically for no grains but rice was recommended?). Legumes are a non-grain carb is all I'm saying.
  11794180
September 6, 2012 7:49 AM
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Honestly, I'm not a paleo person and it seems paleo may mean different things to different people (as evidenced through this thread, OP asked specifically for no grains but rice was recommended?).


I think the Primal / Paleo hierarchy need to have a world summit (using vehicles based on the internal combustion engine to get there) and come to a consensus (using democratic principles derived from Ancient Greece) on just what is and isn't acceptable (obviously legumes won't be invited to that particular party but coffee may get a free pass. Bit of a wildcard that one.)

Then they can convey it to the rest of us plebs. Using the internet.
Edited by myofibril On September 6, 2012 7:49 AM
September 6, 2012 10:53 AM
Just to clarify on the rice issue, a little bit of white rice every now and then isn't going to hurt. Rice is a grain, yes, but it’s not the same as wheat, barley, oats, or corn. Do you eat it if you want to lose weight, no. Are you carbo loading for a marathon, then yes. Potatoes also fall into this category, it's the grey line in this diet. A lot of people use paleo as a weight loss plan, which is why you hear an overwhelming cry of no rice or potatoes. The basic principles are Don’t eat wheat. Don’t eat corn.Don't eat Legumes. Don’t eat added refined sugars. Don’t eat refined polyunsaturated oils. Other than those rules, the sky is the limit.
  17573245
September 6, 2012 12:06 PM
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Vegetables ARE valid carb sources, this is where we should be getting the bulk of our carbs eating this way.


It would be really hard to get the bulk of your carbohydrates from vegetables.

Get the bulk of your carbohydrates from FRUIT!
Edited by Rocbola On September 6, 2012 12:06 PM
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September 6, 2012 12:07 PM
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Honestly, I'm not a paleo person and it seems paleo may mean different things to different people (as evidenced through this thread, OP asked specifically for no grains but rice was recommended?).


I think the Primal / Paleo hierarchy need to have a world summit (using vehicles based on the internal combustion engine to get there) and come to a consensus (using democratic principles derived from Ancient Greece) on just what is and isn't acceptable (obviously legumes won't be invited to that particular party but coffee may get a free pass. Bit of a wildcard that one.)

Then they can convey it to the rest of us plebs. Using the internet.


^ epic. would read again. srs.
September 6, 2012 12:11 PM
Hey thanks for all the great replies, and the great discussions, I looked back at my food log and discovered I'm eating Approximately 80 to 100 carbs a day (not sure what measurement MFP uses I'm assuming grams). I often feel week and light headed after a run and get dizzy if I stand up to quickly ( I even get that way on rest days) I wounder if my overall carb intake is to low. I found that a smoothie made with blueberries, yogurt, kale and chia seeds to be quit helpful as post workout meal. I know that yogurt is not quit paleo but it is primal and I tolerate it well
I will definitely add some sweet potatoes I've tried white rice and don't seem to get much of a boost. Potatoes are a great idea and will be next on my list.
  9474683
September 6, 2012 12:13 PM
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Honestly, I'm not a paleo person and it seems paleo may mean different things to different people (as evidenced through this thread, OP asked specifically for no grains but rice was recommended?).


I think the Primal / Paleo hierarchy need to have a world summit (using vehicles based on the internal combustion engine to get there) and come to a consensus (using democratic principles derived from Ancient Greece) on just what is and isn't acceptable (obviously legumes won't be invited to that particular party but coffee may get a free pass. Bit of a wildcard that one.)

Then they can convey it to the rest of us plebs. Using the internet.


^ epic. would read again. srs.



My doctor did mention white rice and seemed to think it was acceptable, the theory being white rice is the easiest of the grains to digest and has the least chance of an allergic reaction and therefore no inflammation.
Edited by monjet13 On September 6, 2012 12:17 PM
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