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August 18, 2012 7:33 AM
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It is unnatural to drink the milk of another animal. We're the only animal on earth to drink the milk of another species. Think about it! When you're thirsty you don't look at a woman's breasts and go, 'mmm, I'm thirsty!' laugh Milk is meant for growing babies...cow milk is designed help a cow quadruple its weight in a short period of time...not to mention all the growth hormones & pus (yes, PUS, look it up) that milk contains.

I'll pass!
why do people keep saying this? couldnt opposable thumbs be the reason? my dog loves milk, and i can name a lot of things we eat that animals don't it doesn't mean its bad it just means they can't .
:::face palm:: any one with you tube can look and see just about any mammal sucking on the teet of another. and as for the rest .....not evan gonna botherdrinker

Just put a bowl of milk in front of a cat and tell me animals don't drink milk of other animals! I dare you!


Oh I wasn't fear Mongering....just raising a point..lol Actually, I was mentioning that milk has Saturated fat and for many of you who mentioned if fat fits into your macros you eat it...I would say absolutely....just minimize your "SATURATED" fat. That's all. Two glasses of milk isn't going to do much harm. Again, I was just raising the point that be aware it is saturated fat and most of the studies I've seen that are good in the literature use fat free.

Now I do have one question about Chocolate milk. I went to the store and was very sad to see that chocholate milk (while it has plenty of "sugar" is made for the most part - many brands - with HFCS - High Fructose Corn Syrup. So here's my question to those of you who understand what I'm about to say: Fructose is not very helpful to those trying to build muscle or anything else. First off it isn't used directly by any other organ other than the liver. It's phosphorolated there by Fructose Kinase and eventually turned into Triglycerides and fat. That's the problem with HFCS. A little fructose signals the liver to let glucokinase migrate from the nucleus to the cytoplasm of the cell and get ready for an oncoming meal....glucose is metabolized by muscle and brain. Some fructose is converted into glucose...but not a lot. So my question is that if most of the sugar is Fructose in Chocholate milk...then it seems it's not worth using..and back to plain milk! ANyone?
August 18, 2012 8:10 AM
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It is unnatural to drink the milk of another animal. We're the only animal on earth to drink the milk of another species. Think about it! When you're thirsty you don't look at a woman's breasts and go, 'mmm, I'm thirsty!' laugh Milk is meant for growing babies...cow milk is designed help a cow quadruple its weight in a short period of time...not to mention all the growth hormones & pus (yes, PUS, look it up) that milk contains.

I'll pass!
why do people keep saying this? couldnt opposable thumbs be the reason? my dog loves milk, and i can name a lot of things we eat that animals don't it doesn't mean its bad it just means they can't .
:::face palm:: any one with you tube can look and see just about any mammal sucking on the teet of another. and as for the rest .....not evan gonna botherdrinker

Just put a bowl of milk in front of a cat and tell me animals don't drink milk of other animals! I dare you!


Oh I wasn't fear Mongering....just raising a point..lol Actually, I was mentioning that milk has Saturated fat and for many of you who mentioned if fat fits into your macros you eat it...I would say absolutely....just minimize your "SATURATED" fat. That's all. Two glasses of milk isn't going to do much harm. Again, I was just raising the point that be aware it is saturated fat and most of the studies I've seen that are good in the literature use fat free.

Now I do have one question about Chocolate milk. I went to the store and was very sad to see that chocholate milk (while it has plenty of "sugar" is made for the most part - many brands - with HFCS - High Fructose Corn Syrup. So here's my question to those of you who understand what I'm about to say: Fructose is not very helpful to those trying to build muscle or anything else. First off it isn't used directly by any other organ other than the liver. It's phosphorolated there by Fructose Kinase and eventually turned into Triglycerides and fat. That's the problem with HFCS. A little fructose signals the liver to let glucokinase migrate from the nucleus to the cytoplasm of the cell and get ready for an oncoming meal....glucose is metabolized by muscle and brain. Some fructose is converted into glucose...but not a lot. So my question is that if most of the sugar is Fructose in Chocholate milk...then it seems it's not worth using..and back to plain milk! ANyone?


try another store or somewhere like whole foods. one store i go to only has milk with HFCS. another store i go to (not whole foods, just a normal store) has one milk brand that is real sugar. the rest are HFCS. they also carry a milk with splenda but i always get the one with real sugar. but next time i'm going to whole foods to get it because i want organic.
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August 18, 2012 9:16 AM
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Oh I wasn't fear Mongering....just raising a point..lol Actually, I was mentioning that milk has Saturated fat and for many of you who mentioned if fat fits into your macros you eat it...I would say absolutely....just minimize your "SATURATED" fat. That's all. Two glasses of milk isn't going to do much harm. Again, I was just raising the point that be aware it is saturated fat and most of the studies I've seen that are good in the literature use fat free.



I respectfully disagree. When you start throwing out things about heart attacks and stroke, that is fear mongering. That's not "just raising a point". Also, I don't agree that saturated fat has to be "minimized" I just has to be managed as with any essential nutrient. The debate on saturated fat is for another thread so in the interest of not derailing, I'll just leave it that.

Which studies are you refering to that say fat is better. Any study I've seen, including the one from the OP as well as the article I posted from bodyrecomposition.com indicate that the full fat milk shows superior results for protein synthesis. Thus superior recovery. If you have different info, feel free to post your proof sources. You may also want to do a little research on the The Lipid Hypothesis Debunked. Saturated fats are not inherently bad and have some benefits in the appropriate dose and context. They are not automatically to be avoided.
Edited by mmapags On August 18, 2012 9:17 AM
August 18, 2012 10:02 AM
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It is unnatural to drink the milk of another animal. We're the only animal on earth to drink the milk of another species. Think about it! When you're thirsty you don't look at a woman's breasts and go, 'mmm, I'm thirsty!' laugh Milk is meant for growing babies...cow milk is designed help a cow quadruple its weight in a short period of time...not to mention all the growth hormones & pus (yes, PUS, look it up) that milk contains.

I'll pass!
why do people keep saying this? couldnt opposable thumbs be the reason? my dog loves milk, and i can name a lot of things we eat that animals don't it doesn't mean its bad it just means they can't .
:::face palm:: any one with you tube can look and see just about any mammal sucking on the teet of another. and as for the rest .....not evan gonna botherdrinker

Just put a bowl of milk in front of a cat and tell me animals don't drink milk of other animals! I dare you!


Oh I wasn't fear Mongering....just raising a point..lol Actually, I was mentioning that milk has Saturated fat and for many of you who mentioned if fat fits into your macros you eat it...I would say absolutely....just minimize your "SATURATED" fat. That's all. Two glasses of milk isn't going to do much harm. Again, I was just raising the point that be aware it is saturated fat and most of the studies I've seen that are good in the literature use fat free.

Now I do have one question about Chocolate milk. I went to the store and was very sad to see that chocholate milk (while it has plenty of "sugar" is made for the most part - many brands - with HFCS - High Fructose Corn Syrup. So here's my question to those of you who understand what I'm about to say: Fructose is not very helpful to those trying to build muscle or anything else. First off it isn't used directly by any other organ other than the liver. It's phosphorolated there by Fructose Kinase and eventually turned into Triglycerides and fat. That's the problem with HFCS. A little fructose signals the liver to let glucokinase migrate from the nucleus to the cytoplasm of the cell and get ready for an oncoming meal....glucose is metabolized by muscle and brain. Some fructose is converted into glucose...but not a lot. So my question is that if most of the sugar is Fructose in Chocholate milk...then it seems it's not worth using..and back to plain milk! ANyone?

HFCS is kind of a misleading term- most HFCS used in food and rinks is HFCS 42, which is 42% Fructose (compared to table sugar (sucrose) which is 50% fructose). There's a 55% fructose HFCS which is mostly used in soda, and a 90% blend that isn't used to sweeten food directly, but used to make HFCS 55 from HFCS 42. So, likely the HFCS in the Chocolate milk has slightly less fructose than if it were sweetened with real sugar.

I don't want to jump down your throat because I respect what you've posted as part of this discussion, but this post is an example of what was described as fear mongering- it's a good point about fructose metabolization and muscle building, but the whole idea is slightly off the mark because the premise is wrong- HFCS dosen't really have that much fructose. So the argument on the surface makes enough sense to confuse and upset people, but isn't really factually based. I'm not pro-HFCS at all, but based on your argument people should avoid added sugar, period, rather than get worked up about HFCS.

I have more to say about the saturated fat claims, but I need to think through my response so it's sensible rather than reactionary. Suffice it to say, I disagree that saturated fat should be avoided for most of the population.
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August 18, 2012 10:15 AM
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It is unnatural to drink the milk of another animal. We're the only animal on earth to drink the milk of another species. Think about it! When you're thirsty you don't look at a woman's breasts and go, 'mmm, I'm thirsty!' laugh Milk is meant for growing babies...cow milk is designed help a cow quadruple its weight in a short period of time...not to mention all the growth hormones & pus (yes, PUS, look it up) that milk contains.

I'll pass!
why do people keep saying this? couldnt opposable thumbs be the reason? my dog loves milk, and i can name a lot of things we eat that animals don't it doesn't mean its bad it just means they can't .
:::face palm:: any one with you tube can look and see just about any mammal sucking on the teet of another. and as for the rest .....not evan gonna botherdrinker

Just put a bowl of milk in front of a cat and tell me animals don't drink milk of other animals! I dare you!


Oh I wasn't fear Mongering....just raising a point..lol Actually, I was mentioning that milk has Saturated fat and for many of you who mentioned if fat fits into your macros you eat it...I would say absolutely....just minimize your "SATURATED" fat. That's all. Two glasses of milk isn't going to do much harm. Again, I was just raising the point that be aware it is saturated fat and most of the studies I've seen that are good in the literature use fat free.

Now I do have one question about Chocolate milk. I went to the store and was very sad to see that chocholate milk (while it has plenty of "sugar" is made for the most part - many brands - with HFCS - High Fructose Corn Syrup. So here's my question to those of you who understand what I'm about to say: Fructose is not very helpful to those trying to build muscle or anything else. First off it isn't used directly by any other organ other than the liver. It's phosphorolated there by Fructose Kinase and eventually turned into Triglycerides and fat. That's the problem with HFCS. A little fructose signals the liver to let glucokinase migrate from the nucleus to the cytoplasm of the cell and get ready for an oncoming meal....glucose is metabolized by muscle and brain. Some fructose is converted into glucose...but not a lot. So my question is that if most of the sugar is Fructose in Chocholate milk...then it seems it's not worth using..and back to plain milk! ANyone?


Wrong on your first point
Wrong on your second point
Wrong on your third point
And yes, you were definitely fear mongering.

edited to add: so you have us out there looking for fat free, sugar free, lactose free milk? Can that legally be called milk?
Edited by DavPul On August 18, 2012 10:17 AM
August 18, 2012 10:18 AM
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August 18, 2012 10:21 AM
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Oh I wasn't fear Mongering....just raising a point..lol Actually, I was mentioning that milk has Saturated fat and for many of you who mentioned if fat fits into your macros you eat it...I would say absolutely....just minimize your "SATURATED" fat. That's all. Two glasses of milk isn't going to do much harm. Again, I was just raising the point that be aware it is saturated fat and most of the studies I've seen that are good in the literature use fat free.



I respectfully disagree. When you start throwing out things about heart attacks and stroke, that is fear mongering. That's not "just raising a point". Also, I don't agree that saturated fat has to be "minimized" I just has to be managed as with any essential nutrient. The debate on saturated fat is for another thread so in the interest of not derailing, I'll just leave it that.

Which studies are you refering to that say fat is better. Any study I've seen, including the one from the OP as well as the article I posted from bodyrecomposition.com indicate that the full fat milk shows superior results for protein synthesis. Thus superior recovery. If you have different info, feel free to post your proof sources. You may also want to do a little research on the The Lipid Hypothesis Debunked. Saturated fats are not inherently bad and have some benefits in the appropriate dose and context. They are not automatically to be avoided.


You missed a key point in his statement Pags. "most of the studies I've seen **that are good** " Basically, if it's a study he agrees with, it's good. If he doesn't agree with it, it's broscience, or put out by the Milk Conglomerate, or just general BS. But they definitely are *not good*".
August 18, 2012 10:28 AM
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I'm curious where the funding for this study came from. Knowing the inflammatory effects, I remain skeptical about the value of milk although I do agree that whole, non-pasturized from grass fed cows is the way to go if you're gonna imbibe.


Funding probably came from dairy farmers. lol. Organic would be a better choice if a person has to drink cow milk. Although most doctors now recommend staying away from it completely.

Go ahead and slam me people, I won't even see it.
August 18, 2012 11:49 AM
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Oh I wasn't fear Mongering....just raising a point..lol Actually, I was mentioning that milk has Saturated fat and for many of you who mentioned if fat fits into your macros you eat it...I would say absolutely....just minimize your "SATURATED" fat. That's all. Two glasses of milk isn't going to do much harm. Again, I was just raising the point that be aware it is saturated fat and most of the studies I've seen that are good in the literature use fat free.



I respectfully disagree. When you start throwing out things about heart attacks and stroke, that is fear mongering. That's not "just raising a point". Also, I don't agree that saturated fat has to be "minimized" I just has to be managed as with any essential nutrient. The debate on saturated fat is for another thread so in the interest of not derailing, I'll just leave it that.

Which studies are you refering to that say fat is better. Any study I've seen, including the one from the OP as well as the article I posted from bodyrecomposition.com indicate that the full fat milk shows superior results for protein synthesis. Thus superior recovery. If you have different info, feel free to post your proof sources. You may also want to do a little research on the The Lipid Hypothesis Debunked. Saturated fats are not inherently bad and have some benefits in the appropriate dose and context. They are not automatically to be avoided.


You missed a key point in his statement Pags. "most of the studies I've seen **that are good** " Basically, if it's a study he agrees with, it's good. If he doesn't agree with it, it's broscience, or put out by the Milk Conglomerate, or just general BS. But they definitely are *not good*".


Thanks for clearing that up for my Dave. I guess I was just confused. Glad to know I have freinds that can help a brother out!

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