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August 8, 2012 10:52 AM
I'm going to watch the programme at some point this week, I am considering giving it a go for maybe a month just to see if anything happens.
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August 8, 2012 11:03 AM
Sounds like a plan. Different things suit different people, maybe this will suit us!
August 8, 2012 11:09 AM
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Also while you're on your fasting days take some BCAA's to help your body from using your muscle as a source of energy instead of fat, and I found green tea, and lots of water kept the cravings down when I tried it. I did be a little bit of an a$$hat towards the end of the day though which is the only time I really felt hungry or tired.


What is a BCAA? And I wondered - were you on a total fast? On this plan I eat one meal of up to 522 calories on my restricted days, so maybe I just wont get that hungry. I did see a blog from someone who did 24 hour fasting/ 24 hour eating, but she started at 6pm, which seemed a sensible idea, and may suit you if you do it again.
August 8, 2012 11:37 AM
Interesting blog who came up with an intermittent fasting idea all by themselves

http://forgetdietingforever.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/experimenting.html
August 8, 2012 11:53 AM
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Also while you're on your fasting days take some BCAA's to help your body from using your muscle as a source of energy instead of fat, and I found green tea, and lots of water kept the cravings down when I tried it. I did be a little bit of an a$$hat towards the end of the day though which is the only time I really felt hungry or tired.


What is a BCAA? And I wondered - were you on a total fast? On this plan I eat one meal of up to 522 calories on my restricted days, so maybe I just wont get that hungry. I did see a blog from someone who did 24 hour fasting/ 24 hour eating, but she started at 6pm, which seemed a sensible idea, and may suit you if you do it again.


They are Branched Chain Amino Acids, and they help keep your body in an anabolic state, pretty much only useful if you are in caloric deficit.
I did a 24 hour fast. So I had my last meal at dinner time, and then didn't eat until dinner time the next day, and it was pretty easy, beacuse you are a sleep for a big chunk of time!
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August 8, 2012 12:01 PM
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http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/47354-mess-up-your-heart-with-intermittent-fasting/page__p__473475#entry473475


I read this link and don't understand half of what he was saying. This in particular:

"However, whereas calorie restriction improved tissue redox state, food restriction and intermittent feedings did not. In fact, long-term intermittent feeding resulted in largely enhanced tissue release of oxidants."

I you could translate for me I'd be grateful!

ETA: I started IF (leangains) last week and am quickly realising that, though I love it, I know very little about it.
Edited by theartichoke On August 8, 2012 12:05 PM
August 8, 2012 12:26 PM
There is a lot of good info in here!

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting/summary
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August 9, 2012 9:47 AM
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http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/47354-mess-up-your-heart-with-intermittent-fasting/page__p__473475#entry473475


I read this link and don't understand half of what he was saying. This in particular:

"However, whereas calorie restriction improved tissue redox state, food restriction and intermittent feedings did not. In fact, long-term intermittent feeding resulted in largely enhanced tissue release of oxidants."

I you could translate for me I'd be grateful!

ETA: I started IF (leangains) last week and am quickly realising that, though I love it, I know very little about it.


Umm, can't help you I'm afraid.
August 9, 2012 10:19 AM
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There is a lot of good info in here!

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting/summary


That was a very interesting read, thank you.
August 9, 2012 4:42 PM
QUOTE:

Also while you're on your fasting days take some BCAA's to help your body from using your muscle as a source of energy instead of fat, and I found green tea, and lots of water kept the cravings down when I tried it. I did be a little bit of an a$$hat towards the end of the day though which is the only time I really felt hungry or tired.


Do you have any BCAA supplements you recommend?
August 9, 2012 4:53 PM
Personally, I'm going to try fasting once a week, where I'll eat dinner and then nothing until dinner the next day.
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August 10, 2012 1:43 AM
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Personally, I'm going to try fasting once a week, where I'll eat dinner and then nothing until dinner the next day.


Let me know how it goes.
August 10, 2012 9:09 AM
Bump. I watched this too and found it very interesting as well! Might give it a go..
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August 10, 2012 11:26 AM
I thought I would round up my first three days of a semi-fast on alternate days. On Wednesday and today I only ate at lunch time. I picked lunchtime as I don't really get hungry in the morning, and my evenings are busy - but felt that I would not manage a whole day at work with no food.

So, on Wednesday morning, I weighed myself. I was surprised to find I had very little hunger that day, apart from a couple of brief pangs. It was very easy to manage, and in a way, not eating made me feel quite strong and in control. There was also a sense of freedom, as I didn't have to think about food - I have found that feeding myself well within a certain calorie count is pretty depressing in the evenings. There is more calorie room in the morning and at lunch.

So, on to Thursday - I weighed myself and there was a 2 1/2 pound weight loss. Lovely. But I knew that I would be eating that day, and would gain back a lot of that weight, maybe all of it.

I had breakfast, and found that afterwards, I still felt a bit empty, so had a lovely large glass of juice. I was due out with friends for an early lunch, and despite my normal mid-morning healthy snacks I was very hungry for lunch, though I did not have a huge meal, as I didn't want to overdo it. I wasn't hungry again until about 8, when I made a healthy meal, which was delicious. I did find that there I slighly overconsumed because I felt I was owed the right to as I had fasted the day before, and I would be fasting the next day. I didn't overeat - it was extra drinks. I had a little cider, and a can of coke. I justified them to myself, but they did mean that I ate more calories than I really wanted to. I am forgiving myself because that was early days in this routine. I didn't exercise on that day - I wanted to break myself gently into fasting.

The next morning I was quite surprised to find I had gained only 1/2 pound.

So, today - I have had more hunger pangs - but again, just the odd pang, not a steady feeling of hunger. When I consider how I feel, it is empty. If it was an eating day, I would welcome a meal, and have a good appetite for it - but I cannot describe myself as hungry. It's not been too hard not to eat.

After work I met up with friends for a drink, and I had a couple of glasses of sparkling water, then a diet coke. I didn't miss having a drink, I didn't mention to my friends that I was dieting, and they didn't seem to notice anything unusual. I enjoyed sitting in the sun, and although people were eating round us, and there were wafts of delicious garlicy prawns - none of us were eating, and it was fine.

Now I am home, and I can convince myself that I have already eaten. I think I will have no problems not eating for the rest of the evening, If I think of food, I think of what to have for breakfast. Realistically I am only dropping one meal at a time - I focus on lunch when I skip breakfast, and focus on the next days breakfast when I miss dinner.

I have to say, I am doing this to drop my risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc, But the fact that it means that I can go out and eat with friends is a big plus, as that is how I socialise. I am meeting a friend for a coffee tomorrow, and another for an indian tomorrow evening, and I would be really worried about sticking to my calorie allowance if I wasn't on this programme.

So, I'm looking forward to getting weighed in the morning. I had decided to only weigh myself weekly, but found that it is just too tempting to see what is going on. As long as any weight gains don't make me despair, I should be okay.
Edited by jsygurl On August 10, 2012 11:30 AM
August 10, 2012 11:28 AM
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This is similar to the JUDDD/IF type stuff (if that gives you more specific things to look up). These "diets" are built to end up in maintenance, so as usual... don't listen to the "OMG YOU CAN'T JUST GO UNDER 1200 CALORIES. STARVATION" people. There's research behind this, and specifically JUDDD is built to gradually up your "Down Day" calories until you are in a maintenance mode where you're not ~starving~.

Even apes don't eat "three square meals" a day ;)


I'm glad you want to look like an ape.
August 10, 2012 12:11 PM
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I thought I would round up my first three days of a semi-fast on alternate days. <snip>
I had a similar experience in that I was surprised how little the hunger bothered me and that you'd think that not eating would be this big deal but it wasn't. Even though I was hungry and enjoyed breaking my fast I wasn't ravenous and I had no problem sticking to my eating plan later. Like you said, it was very freeing.

I'm not following an alternative day fasting schedule but it was nice to read about your experience. I plan on fasting Monday into Tuesday again this week so if anything changes from the first time I did it I'll be sure to come back and share.
August 10, 2012 12:17 PM
I was wondering if anyone was interested in starting a group on the 5:2 schedule. I know there is already an IF group, but it seems to be focused on Lean Gains and while I will admit I have not read about it extensively it does not seem like a match.

Any thoughts? I am still debating on whether to start this experiment next week or not (Tuesday/Thursday).
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August 10, 2012 12:22 PM
I've been doing the 5:2 fasting for about 5 months - didn't know it was called 5:2 until recently, I just started it after reading an article about the science behind fasting to prevent Alzheimer's. It has worked fine for me, it's part of my regular routine now. It makes perfect sense to me that our bodies would be adapted for it.
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August 10, 2012 1:21 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

This is similar to the JUDDD/IF type stuff (if that gives you more specific things to look up). These "diets" are built to end up in maintenance, so as usual... don't listen to the "OMG YOU CAN'T JUST GO UNDER 1200 CALORIES. STARVATION" people. There's research behind this, and specifically JUDDD is built to gradually up your "Down Day" calories until you are in a maintenance mode where you're not ~starving~.

Even apes don't eat "three square meals" a day ;)


I'm glad you want to look like an ape.


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Edited by firstsip On August 10, 2012 1:21 PM
August 11, 2012 1:13 AM
QUOTE:

I was wondering if anyone was interested in starting a group on the 5:2 schedule. I know there is already an IF group, but it seems to be focused on Lean Gains and while I will admit I have not read about it extensively it does not seem like a match.

Any thoughts? I am still debating on whether to start this experiment next week or not (Tuesday/Thursday).


I would be keen, if you son;t mind that I might be doing more than the 2 days a week.
August 11, 2012 5:04 AM
Hi, I have been following the ADF plan since Aug 6th 2012.

Willlet you know how I get on, so far so far good.
August 11, 2012 5:15 AM
Bump
August 11, 2012 5:21 AM
Was very interesting. Here is the link for anyone who did not see the program (BBC Horizon, so not sure if available outside UK)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01lxyzc
August 11, 2012 7:13 AM
Bump....mainly because there is a link on this topic to the Horizon program which was a real eye opener...For those interested in the 5:2 part of the program it is about half way through that it gets talked about, before that he looks into other ways of eating
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August 11, 2012 9:54 AM
I had to have 2 low consumption days plus a 24hr fast Mon-Thurs last week for medical reasons..... so having heard a review during the week of the TV programme on the 5:2 way of life I have decided to give it a go. I actually found the 24hr fast nothing like as bad as I thought it was going to be...so I'm thinking 50-600 cals should be a doddle..and so far today...(my first official day) it has been. I was actually working this morning..so decided I ought to have a reasonable breakfast. In the end I've chosen to split most calories morning & evening..and the least midday. All my previous healthy lifestyle calorie reduction efforts are usually sabataged because I can't include as much fruit as I would like within my daily allowance..and I do have a very sweet tooth. No use saying cut it out altogether..I've been down that route..sugarfree for 10 months, 5 stone down..then Wham...allowed myself a treat at a family celebration and could not stop...6 stone on...
This weight has to be lost.....if not then I just know my Dr is going to recommend surgery next.....I want to avoid that so this lifestyle is much less severe than I would have to endure with a bypass..got to be worth a go. I may decide to do 4:3.
I'm also hopeful it will prevent my metabolism dropping any further as years of yo-yo dieting have pretty much wrecked it.
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