TOPIC: olympic events that r NOT a sport |
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Joined 2012-06-19 Posts: 3,260 |
July 31, 2012 18:39
QUOTE: QUOTE: They are all a sport. A "Sport" by definition is: an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature. Just because someone says something is not a sport doesn't mean it's not. I can quack like a duck.... But it doesn't make me a duck. according to ESPN, both poker and golf are 'sports'. clearly, neither are sports. OT: Robin Williams had the BEST description of golf EVER! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4 
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Joined 2011-12-15 Posts: 1,911 |
July 31, 2012 18:39
it isn't a sport unless is has a set scoring system. do A, get X points. do B, get Y. anything that uses a scoring system based on personal preferences and guesstimations of what certain moves or tricks are worth? not a sport.
this doesn't mean that competitors in these events aren't athletes, mind you. they just don't compete in a sport. 
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Joined 2012-07-19 Posts: 115 |
July 31, 2012 18:39
QUOTE: What about referees in football... don't they do some judging based on whether or not the ball passed through goal or over endzone line? As much as I enjoy watching football, I agree with you wholeheartedly. 
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Joined 2011-01-18 Posts: 379 |
July 31, 2012 18:39
QUOTE: bro, the men's gymnastic team could crack your skull with their thighs. please. HAHAHAHAH! Omg, this one literally made me laugh out loud! 
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Joined 2011-10-07 Posts: 183 |
July 31, 2012 18:41
QUOTE: The criteria for a sport is is there another person or TEAM that's trying to keep you from accomplishing a goal. Golf... not a sport. NASCAR... not a sport. Track...not a sport. Football, baseball, hockey, basketball, tennis.... all sports. depends on where you get your definition. which is part of the problem. Track is a team sport. The team score is dependent on individual performances. PLUS there are relays that include 4 people. That's a team. Isn't NASCAR a team sport as well? they have a team of people to help them? (I'm ignorant of NASCAR I will totally admit it) |
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Joined 2012-05-10 Posts: 407 |
July 31, 2012 18:42
QUOTE: Gymnastics, synchronized swimmimg and diving....those all moght as well b cirque de so Have you been watching "Married With Children" again? hahahhaha!!! |
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Joined 2011-10-06 Posts: 1,377 |
July 31, 2012 18:43
QUOTE: QUOTE: The criteria for a sport is is there another person or TEAM that's trying to keep you from accomplishing a goal. Golf... not a sport. NASCAR... not a sport. Track...not a sport. Football, baseball, hockey, basketball, tennis.... all sports. depends on where you get your definition. which is part of the problem. Track is a team sport. The team score is dependent on individual performances. PLUS there are relays that include 4 people. That's a team. Isn't NASCAR a team sport as well? they have a team of people to help them? (I'm ignorant of NASCAR I will totally admit it) yeppers nascar is more than just the dude in a car......altho he is usaly the only one people hear about 
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Joined 2012-02-02 Posts: 209 |
July 31, 2012 18:44
In gymnastics they score points by completing certain goals or skills to perfection. The same way a ball can be called out of bounds, and not give them the point they can call a skill incomplete due to the form.
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Joined 2011-10-07 Posts: 183 |
July 31, 2012 18:44
QUOTE: it isn't a sport unless is has a set scoring system. do A, get X points. do B, get Y. anything that uses a scoring system based on personal preferences and guesstimations of what certain moves or tricks are worth? not a sport. this doesn't mean that competitors in these events aren't athletes, mind you. they just don't compete in a sport. they do have scoring systems. for gymnastics it was revamped around 2003, 2004. I don't know what the scoring is for the others, but there have been many controversies about figure skating. They are changing it to be not guestimations or arbitrary assumptions. Don't point your toes? Don't hit handstand? Hit a certain angle?...all of these things lead it to have less room for personal preference. |
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Joined 2012-01-04 Posts: 1,584 |
July 31, 2012 18:45
OP wins.
I understand the theory behind his comments, and they do make sense. The subjective/objective posts were pretty good as well. |
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Joined 2012-06-18 Posts: 453 |
July 31, 2012 18:46
ok no offense to you big guy, but you try gymnastics and then tell me it's not a sport.
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Joined 2012-02-02 Posts: 209 |
July 31, 2012 18:48
QUOTE: it isn't a sport unless is has a set scoring system. do A, get X points. do B, get Y. anything that uses a scoring system based on personal preferences and guesstimations of what certain moves or tricks are worth? not a sport. this doesn't mean that competitors in these events aren't athletes, mind you. they just don't compete in a sport. In gymnastics they get x points for completing a skill to its fullest possibility. There is a set scoring system for the skills that is dependent difficulty. There is set scores for deductions for each mistake. The same way in basketball they get more points due to difficulty of a shot according to distance. Its not a guessing game. The judges are no different then coaches who judge a play. |
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Joined 2011-04-19 Posts: 1,177 |
July 31, 2012 18:50
The WORLD disagrees with you.
I bet you play golf, fake hulk. |
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Joined 2012-01-08 Posts: 21 |
July 31, 2012 18:51
While I hate the subjective judging sports (basketball included), the athleticism to reach the Olympics in any event is a talent to be admired, well except for luge (winter Olympics). I think it was Seinfeld that did a hilarious bit on how they choose luge sliders.
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Joined 2011-01-31 Posts: 535 |
July 31, 2012 18:51
Ummmmm not sure if you are just trying to get a negative reaction, but SERIOUSLY? Gymnastics is one of the most athletic sports made for humans!!! Good Lord, lets see you twist, turn, flip, and land your body the way these ATHLETES do while they are competing in their SPORT!!! Man, what are you thinking, and what are you watching?
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Joined 2011-12-15 Posts: 1,911 |
July 31, 2012 18:53
QUOTE: QUOTE: it isn't a sport unless is has a set scoring system. do A, get X points. do B, get Y. anything that uses a scoring system based on personal preferences and guesstimations of what certain moves or tricks are worth? not a sport. this doesn't mean that competitors in these events aren't athletes, mind you. they just don't compete in a sport. they do have scoring systems. for gymnastics it was revamped around 2003, 2004. I don't know what the scoring is for the others, but there have been many controversies about figure skating. They are changing it to be not guestimations or arbitrary assumptions. Don't point your toes? Don't hit handstand? Hit a certain angle?...all of these things lead it to have less room for personal preference. well, that's just it. of course there is a scoring system. they have a panel of judges. every judge sees the exact same routine, but there will be six different point totals given for that routine. for the things you don't do, there are deductions. but those deductions then come out of whatever each judge felt you earned. like, for example, competitive cheerleading. definitely fit, athletic young men and women. no one -- I think? -- would even try to argue that. but it isn't a sport. there are judges giving points they feel were earned. (and it has been pointed out, but the argument of 'well, you can't do it!' has zero merit, honestly. so that needs to be just left out of this. kind of silly to throw that around.
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Joined 2012-01-08 Posts: 21 |
July 31, 2012 18:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrnhWOKkgDY
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Joined 2012-01-22 Posts: 404 |
July 31, 2012 18:53
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: Anything based solely on judging is NOT a sport. Its performance. Is it hard? Yes, could i do it? No....is it a sport? Not even close It's the "Olympic Games" not the "Olympic Sports." Your point is invalid. ------------------------------------- game 1 (gm) n. 1. An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime: party games; word games. 2. a. A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: the game of basketball; the game of gin rummy. b. A single instance of such an activity: We lost the first game. c. games An organized athletic program or contest: track-and-field games; took part in the winter games. d. A period of competition or challenge: It was too late in the game to change the schedule of the project. 
Thank you! This should shut the OP up :-) Nah. Not a chance. 
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Joined 2011-05-15 Posts: 59 |
July 31, 2012 18:54
Good one!!!! =0)
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Joined 2011-12-15 Posts: 1,911 |
July 31, 2012 18:57
QUOTE: QUOTE: it isn't a sport unless is has a set scoring system. do A, get X points. do B, get Y. anything that uses a scoring system based on personal preferences and guesstimations of what certain moves or tricks are worth? not a sport. this doesn't mean that competitors in these events aren't athletes, mind you. they just don't compete in a sport. In gymnastics they get x points for completing a skill to its fullest possibility. There is a set scoring system for the skills that is dependent difficulty. There is set scores for deductions for each mistake. The same way in basketball they get more points due to difficulty of a shot according to distance. Its not a guessing game. The judges are no different then coaches who judge a play. you are right. each skill = a certain point total based on difficulty. but the judge then rules on how well they completed that skill, and that's what the final points are based on. one judge things the dismount sucks, one thinks it was just ok. same skill, two completely different scores. (as was pointed out, new scoring in figure skating has helped. at least in the controversy department. lots of problems come in on 'artistry' scores. those were completely based on how much the judge appreciated the performance, not on the skills actually attempted.) but there is a difference in other mainstream sports. you pointed out basketball. but the 3-point line is always the 3-point line. it's always worth three points. if they shoot with one hand, it doesn't become worth four. if they bank off the backboard, it doesn't then become two. it is always, always three.
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Joined 2011-10-07 Posts: 183 |
July 31, 2012 18:59
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: it isn't a sport unless is has a set scoring system. do A, get X points. do B, get Y. anything that uses a scoring system based on personal preferences and guesstimations of what certain moves or tricks are worth? not a sport. this doesn't mean that competitors in these events aren't athletes, mind you. they just don't compete in a sport. they do have scoring systems. for gymnastics it was revamped around 2003, 2004. I don't know what the scoring is for the others, but there have been many controversies about figure skating. They are changing it to be not guestimations or arbitrary assumptions. Don't point your toes? Don't hit handstand? Hit a certain angle?...all of these things lead it to have less room for personal preference. well, that's just it. of course there is a scoring system. they have a panel of judges. every judge sees the exact same routine, but there will be six different point totals given for that routine. for the things you don't do, there are deductions. but those deductions then come out of whatever each judge felt you earned. like, for example, competitive cheerleading. definitely fit, athletic young men and women. no one -- I think? -- would even try to argue that. but it isn't a sport. there are judges giving points they feel were earned. (and it has been pointed out, but the argument of 'well, you can't do it!' has zero merit, honestly. so that needs to be just left out of this. kind of silly to throw that around. This is the controversy of judging. They take deductions off of what they "felt you earned" used to be MUCH more often. Have you ever seen Stick It? That movie was honestly out at the perfect time for gymnastics. It showed that judges do just that...judge...and not in the good way but in an arbitrary and discriminative way. The new rules have attempted to eliminate this. The whole controversy over competitive cheerleading being considered a sport at the collegiate level is more to allow the cheerleaders the same access the NCAA athletes get: athletic trainers, strength trainers, money, things like that. |
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Joined 2011-05-25 Posts: 114 |
July 31, 2012 19:00
Ummm....I've seen a few professional ball games decided solely by a referee.
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Joined 2012-02-23 Posts: 77 |
July 31, 2012 19:01
QUOTE: I completely disagree.... I don't really believe shooting is a sport (and is currently being competed, and awarding Olympic medals), it does take skill sure, but not physically.... gymnastics, diving and swimming all require physical skill and fitness, and belong in the Olympics. I agree. I shoot at archery competitions, but don't think of it as a sport. I feel that a sport should be something that you have to be physically fit. |
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Joined 2011-10-07 Posts: 183 |
July 31, 2012 19:02
@tsh0ck
You said it perfectly. mainstream sports. there are stigmas and stereotypes and discriminations surrounding many of the sports that are not mainstreamed. If the OP had more respect for the less mainstreamed sports I wonder if he would make the same horrendous statement. |
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Joined 2011-05-27 Posts: 670 |
July 31, 2012 19:02
one event that I thought was funny, extreme canoeing!!
It looked so fun, but I would probably die if I tried it lol. nope, I had nothing to contribute on this stupid arguement, maybe I should make a thread to see what other random events there are for the Olympics. 
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