Bottom line is MFP is supposed to be a place everyone can come to get support & track their weight-loss.
There are days when I will only eat 500 cals for the day. It's something that happens from time to time. Plus PLEASE remember that sometimes medical problems prevent a person from eating from time to time. I have MS & when I am having a "Flare" of some sort I can eat little to nothing for days or weeks. MS fatigue can keep me on bed asleep for days or weeks. I force myself to drink something.
I think if it's daily maybe instead of "Bashing" these people "Educate" them. Don't support the "Un"healthy eating habits but teach new ones. Express concern..... Sometimes it just might be they need that.
I love this site & have met some very nice, supportive, kind people.
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TOPIC: 400 Net Calories for the Day: Scary Behavior |
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Joined 2012-07-11 Posts: 22 |
July 20, 2012 04:23
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Joined 2011-09-15 Posts: 1,152 |
July 20, 2012 04:43
I have the same worries. People on my Flist only get a certain number of strikes where I will show concern and advise them on how to increase their calorie intake and then I just dump them... I like to support people but essentially I am here for me and I can't deal with people purposefully undereating, over exercising and then ignoring my concerns.
Life is too short. 
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Joined 2012-03-17 Posts: 453 |
July 20, 2012 05:09
QUOTE: It's always sad little men objecting to the diaries of random dieters, invariably women What's your thing about little men? You need to get out of your lab a bit. Overreact much? Even if the OP has a bit of a hero complex, he's completely right that you stepped in here simply to make some poor ad hominem arguments, and to save the people you told the OP not to save. Ease up on your bad self. Take some deep breaths, and, when you're ready, come back and join the discussion. 
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Joined 2011-02-28 Posts: 32 |
July 20, 2012 05:54
OP... I like threads like this. I'm often tempted to hold on to most of my exercise calories to speed up weight loss and net around 800 or 900 (though I never eat under 1200). I am a stress eater and put on most of my extra pounds since Oct. 2011; I get impatient because this is not the body that I recognize in the mirror and want to look/feel like myself again.
I occasionally get fixated on the scale and discouraged if I do not see a loss (even if I'm maintaining). I wonder if I'm capable of continuing to lose weight at all (which, of course, I am). There are times when I need a reality check and I come looking for it. I read posts about under eating and think about my long term goal and it reassures me that netting 1200 is a good place to be for health and success. |
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Joined 2012-04-08 Posts: 1,218 |
July 20, 2012 06:02
QUOTE: I have the same worries. People on my Flist only get a certain number of strikes where I will show concern and advise them on how to increase their calorie intake and then I just dump them... I like to support people but essentially I am here for me and I can't deal with people purposefully undereating, over exercising and then ignoring my concerns. Life is too short. They are your concerns and if they aren't my concerns then you don't matter much in the scheme of MY DIET. Jesus it's not your life or your diet so why creep on people who do what they have to do for them. 
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Joined 2012-07-05 Posts: 574 |
July 20, 2012 06:11
QUOTE: QUOTE: Well there is absolutely nooooooo wayyyy I could net my goal on exercise days... I can't eat thaaaaat much...Today for instance my net was 359...my goal is 1290...I have trouble getting there most days. Before I started this program, I didn't even realize how little I was eating. Not to pick on you, but this is the segment of the population I worry about. I know a 30 yr old woman who, ever since college, grossed about 900 calories daily and then burned about 500 through exercise. She recently tested her metabolism and hormone function - her insulin and glucagon levels were lopsided to the degree that inhibited fat metabolism during exercise. In addition, the hunger hormones, ghrelin and leptin were compromised as well so she was unable to feel the need to eat. She tried multiple times to eat up to her maintenance calories but, because of the metabolic damage she caused herself, she'd gain weight and return to severely restricting her caloric intake again. So, for her, calorie restriction wasn't just something she utilized to lose weight temporarily, she became paranoid and still to this day eats like that and has not reached her goal weight.
I don't feel picked on at all thanks. Its obvious that you can give "constructive criticism" so I invite you to look at my food diary and come up with suggestions. I could use all of the help that I can get. (BTW I'm 42 and eating more now than ever. I'm working really hard to become healthier and do not want that to go to waste.) 
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Joined 2011-10-10 Posts: 196 |
July 20, 2012 06:23
In my view, I think you should STFU. If you don't like how your MFP friends eat and exercise, don't friend them. PERIOD. It is really not up to you to be the "I know whats better for you then you do" advocate.
That being said, I personally don't agree with ppl eating less then 900 calories regularly (intake not net) and choose not to friend ppl who do. It is very, very rare for a healthy adult to actually starve or become malnurished by eating over 1000 calories with good nutrition. Also, some ppl may actually want to slow their metabolism, right now their are several studies about low calorie diets to do that exact thing! What are they finding? Ppl living longer and healthier....hmmm kind of contradicts the msg your putting out there? I'm sure MD's and scientists that run these studies know just a little bit more then you. I have yet to see a "net calorie and malnutrition" study. 
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Joined 2011-05-20 Posts: 312 |
July 20, 2012 06:26
QUOTE: The MFP plan is very conservative. I wouldn't worry too much about other peoples' diets. Most of us at 1200 are at shallow deficits of 500 or so, so I don't believe there's anything wrong with using exercise to up your deficit to 1000-ish, when you feel like. How do you guys even know what other people are doing? Monitoring friends or something? I waste a lot of time here but I can't imagine perusing diaries counting up 'net' calories and vegetable 'servings' and all the other things I see threads here about. And then there's THAT. Thank you for saying this. 
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Joined 2012-01-23 Posts: 488 |
July 20, 2012 06:28
QUOTE: Really....this... again... :/ Yes, we know it happens, yes we know it's wrong, is there anything you can do about it? Nope. Concentrate on yourself. yup 
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Joined 2011-11-17 Posts: 757 |
July 20, 2012 06:31
QUOTE: QUOTE: Question, What if the person is like me, and we do our work out at the end of the day, I'm talking 7-8pm, the food cut off for me is no later than 7pm. What to do? Don't rely on that 7pm as religion. I've broken that rule in the entire 20 yrs I've maintained my weight loss! For me my cutoff is 8. I have to take medicine that reacts with food, and my two choices are to take it at midnight, or skip my coffee in the morning. I NEEDS MY COFFEE!!! 
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Joined 2008-10-19 Posts: 1,484 |
July 20, 2012 06:31
This is why I closed my diary. I got sick of people commenting with dumb stuff - why do you care what other people are eating? Who says they logged everything properly or had a bad binge the night before and were trying to "make up" for it? Or maybe they don't understand the whole net cals and automatic deficit thing yet. It's fine to have friends for inspiration/motivation but if their behavior bothers you stop looking at it!
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Joined 2012-03-04 Posts: 45 |
July 20, 2012 06:32
How do you guys even know what other people are doing? Monitoring friends or something? I waste a lot of time here but I can't imagine perusing diaries counting up 'net' calories and vegetable 'servings' and all the other things I see threads here about.
^^ this
Edited by DoubleButtSpider On July 20, 2012 06:34
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Joined 2011-01-17 Posts: 2,388 |
July 20, 2012 06:32
I post this a lot on MFP.
It's a really really helpful explanation of WHY 1200? http://www.fitsugar.com/Why-1200-Calories-Day-Important-When-Dieting-13080864 
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Joined 2011-06-02 Posts: 2,002 |
July 20, 2012 06:34
And then you have those who encourage this, and still others who tip-toe around it and be their crutch because they are afraid of being blunt and getting deleted.....
I honestly don't know what is so hard to understand- join MFP, and eat the calories it tells you too. Plain and simple. People make things too complicated. 
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Joined 2011-01-17 Posts: 2,388 |
July 20, 2012 06:34
QUOTE: QUOTE: Question, What if the person is like me, and we do our work out at the end of the day, I'm talking 7-8pm, the food cut off for me is no later than 7pm. What to do? Don't rely on that 7pm as religion. I've broken that rule in the entire 20 yrs I've maintained my weight loss! Agreed! Both me and my husband are thin and healthy. We typically eat at 8:30pm. (that's post gym for me). Works for us to eat late. It's the QUALITY of those calories. No matter the time.
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Joined 2011-01-17 Posts: 2,388 |
July 20, 2012 06:35
QUOTE: And then you have those who encourage this, and still others who tip-toe around it and be their crutch because they are afraid of being blunt and getting deleted..... I honestly don't know what is so hard to understand- join MFP, and eat the calories it tells you too. Plain and simple. People make things too complicated. I'm healthy and active. I can't imagine fueling my healthy 35 year old body with UNDER 1200 (NET).
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Joined 2012-03-04 Posts: 5 |
July 20, 2012 06:36
 I know that this is dangerous but you also don't know if this person is following a certain diet. For example my doctor put me on a very resistricted diet. I actually eat all freakin day.........but its lots of veggies and fruits which most are low calorie. So if they are following something like this their calories may be low, but yet they are eating what is filling them up. Just my two cents!
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Joined 2011-06-02 Posts: 2,002 |
July 20, 2012 06:37
QUOTE: QUOTE: The MFP plan is very conservative. I wouldn't worry too much about other peoples' diets. Most of us at 1200 are at shallow deficits of 500 or so, so I don't believe there's anything wrong with using exercise to up your deficit to 1000-ish, when you feel like. How do you guys even know what other people are doing? Monitoring friends or something? I waste a lot of time here but I can't imagine perusing diaries counting up 'net' calories and vegetable 'servings' and all the other things I see threads here about. Well said. That's not well said. That's wrong. A 500 deficit is not shallow. Netting under 1200 is wrong and it hurts your body in the long run. Yes, a lot of people on here actually support their friends and check on them to make sure they are not hurting themselves. That's one of the reasons you make friends on here- to keep others in check.
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Joined 2011-01-17 Posts: 2,388 |
July 20, 2012 06:38
QUOTE: I don't understand how anyone thinks your "net calories" (a term made-up by MFP) matters to your body at all. It is not 'made up' by MFP (net calories). Science is science. Weight watchers is set up with a similar concept (activity points). Science!
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Joined 2011-03-08 Posts: 201 |
July 20, 2012 06:39
well I never eat the full 1200 calories, not intentional but I cant force myself to eat if im not hungry.. saying that, I dont do much exorcise any more, just a bit of walking.. so I dont work all the calories off... but Id say I eat about 700 calories a day and have been for the last 6 weeks.. I started having a protein shake for breakfast and it just fills me right up! I have started adding a bit more fruit to it to up my calories, but for me its working and helping me loose weight.. and yes if i went back to eating how I did before then yes I would probably gain double the weight back.. BUT i dont want to go back to eating how I was before.. I will NEVER be 225lbs again!
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Joined 2011-06-02 Posts: 2,002 |
July 20, 2012 06:42
QUOTE: I don't understand how anyone thinks your "net calories" (a term made-up by MFP) matters to your body at all. What I ate minus my 'exercise'? All that affects my weight is my deficit. What I burn minus what I ate. My body doesn't care if it burns it up in BMR or the 1.2 multiplier or in the gym or walking the dog or whatever. Your 'exercise' doesn't subtract from your daily food intake. If you ate 1200 and exercised off 400, you didn't "really take in 800". You really took in 1200. You took in 1200 calories of fiber, vitamins, minerals, essential amino acids and satiating food. That's what matters. The caloric deficit is a requirement of weight loss. "Net calories" is a meaningless term. net calories is NOT made up by MFP. You are a hot mess dude.
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Joined 2011-07-09 Posts: 302 |
July 20, 2012 06:43
QUOTE: QUOTE: I don't understand how anyone thinks your "net calories" (a term made-up by MFP) matters to your body at all. It is not 'made up' by MFP (net calories). Science is science. Weight watchers is set up with a similar concept (activity points). Science! When I did Weight Watchers, they told us that eating back activity points was optional. 
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Joined 2011-01-17 Posts: 2,388 |
July 20, 2012 06:45
QUOTE: QUOTE: I don't understand how anyone thinks your "net calories" (a term made-up by MFP) matters to your body at all. What I ate minus my 'exercise'? All that affects my weight is my deficit. What I burn minus what I ate. My body doesn't care if it burns it up in BMR or the 1.2 multiplier or in the gym or walking the dog or whatever. Your 'exercise' doesn't subtract from your daily food intake. If you ate 1200 and exercised off 400, you didn't "really take in 800". You really took in 1200. You took in 1200 calories of fiber, vitamins, minerals, essential amino acids and satiating food. That's what matters. The caloric deficit is a requirement of weight loss. "Net calories" is a meaningless term. net calories is NOT made up by MFP. You are a hot mess dude. Thank you. Glad I'm not the only one that knows Net calories is not made up.
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Joined 2011-01-17 Posts: 2,388 |
July 20, 2012 06:45
QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: I don't understand how anyone thinks your "net calories" (a term made-up by MFP) matters to your body at all. It is not 'made up' by MFP (net calories). Science is science. Weight watchers is set up with a similar concept (activity points). Science! When I did Weight Watchers, they told us that eating back activity points was optional. I think the new WW is set up differently. I could be wrong!
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Joined 2011-08-18 Posts: 776 |
July 20, 2012 06:47
I don't understand how people even function on something that low. 1,200 calories even has me starving!
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