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June 19, 2012 4:34 PM
I started my low carb diet about 2 weeks ago. My dietitian suggested simply limiting carbs to 30gm per meals and 15gm per snack. (totaling no more than 120gm per day). So far its working out really well! I feel great and its overall helping me with my diet. Its making me eat less and make smarter choices because carbs are EVERYWHERE. Thats incredible for your dad! Good luck to you!!
June 19, 2012 5:16 PM
Just cutting carbs doesn't work very long. You still have to watch calories. Your father started at a very high weight, it falls off faster at that weight and it falls off faster for men usually then women.

With that said, I low(er) carb and it works great but I am very strict on my carbs and my calories are very controlled. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you just low carb without calorie control or increase in exercise you wont get very far.
June 19, 2012 5:22 PM
I am on my 2nd day of low carbs and I do have a slight headache but not the lack of energy. If anything, I think my energy level is up.
  7084232
June 19, 2012 5:31 PM
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I generally eat very low carb simply because I don't eat bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, etc. Not for any weight loss reason, but because when I eat those things (even the gluten free varieties) I simply do not feel good. My digestion is thrown off, I feel like my head is cloudy, I'm tired and lethargic.


I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. I first tried the low carb lifestyle for weightloss reasons but now I do it because I generally function better when I keep my carbs low. If I go over 100 carbs a day, I feel the need to take a nap right at my desk at work no matter how much caffeine I put in my system. I am more alert, quicker in movement, and even my memory is better when I stay away from sugar and starches.
  10383132
June 19, 2012 8:18 PM
Any anthropology or biochemistry students will tell you low carb dieting is a clean, safe, and very healthy way to thrive.
I'm completely impressed with the body's ability to utilize fats and proteins for fuel. Carbohydrates exist in fruits and vegetables, so you're never going to be entirely carb free.
Keeping them below 100 is fantastic.. 70 is even better.

Besides, everyone's chemistry is different. If you have candida overgrowth or insulin resistance, you will meet a lot of problematic symptoms that pass after about 20-30 days.

I say it's worth it to every person on the planet, to at least try out. Good luck to you! flowerforyou
June 19, 2012 8:25 PM
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Any anthropology or biochemistry students will tell you low carb dieting is a clean, safe, and very healthy way to thrive.
I'm completely impressed with the body's ability to utilize fats and proteins for fuel. Carbohydrates exist in fruits and vegetables, so you're never going to be entirely carb free.
Keeping them below 100 is fantastic.. 70 is even better.

Besides, everyone's chemistry is different. If you have candida overgrowth or insulin resistance, you will meet a lot of problematic symptoms that pass after about 20-30 days.

I say it's worth it to every person on the planet, to at least try out. Good luck to you! flowerforyou


I can't see me going to an anthopology student for dietrey advice any time soon - what makes them qualified to dispense nutrition advice?

OP - if you want to try low carb, go for it, lots of people like it - as you can see from this thread.
But, if it doesn't sounds as though it would be something you could sustain, and you haven't been advised to avoid carbs for medical reasons - then don't feel pressured to do it. I don't eat low carb and I've lost weight and am very healthy. Each of us is different and you need to experiment to work out what makes you feel good and what fits in with your lifestyle and is sustainable for the long term for YOU, not for anyone else.
  4147547
June 20, 2012 12:01 AM
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Any anthropology or biochemistry students will tell you low carb dieting is a clean, safe, and very healthy way to thrive.
I'm completely impressed with the body's ability to utilize fats and proteins for fuel. Carbohydrates exist in fruits and vegetables, so you're never going to be entirely carb free.
Keeping them below 100 is fantastic.. 70 is even better.

Besides, everyone's chemistry is different. If you have candida overgrowth or insulin resistance, you will meet a lot of problematic symptoms that pass after about 20-30 days.

I say it's worth it to every person on the planet, to at least try out. Good luck to you! flowerforyou

Thanks for the laugh! Really.

I have more endomorphic qualities. That means my insulin resistance is high. HOWEVER, I am dropping weight just fine on average of 200+ carbs a day. You can even check my log. It goes like this:

1. Carbs have been made out to be evil due to pure bunk science.
2. Over all calorie intake matters.
3. A balance of ALL three macros MATTER for long term health.

EAT YOUR DAMN CARBS!
Edited by AntWrig On June 20, 2012 1:00 AM
June 20, 2012 12:39 AM
Hey, annika! Check out the La vida low carb group on here. There are some great people there, who are supportive and can offer lots of great suggestions if you need them. There are people doing Atkins, or just moderately low carb (around 100 carbs a day), and paleo-ish people as well in the group. Lots of variety, and lots of support.

Best wishes!

We each need to do what works for us. THere should be room for positivity and acceptance for ALL different eating plans.
June 20, 2012 8:32 AM
Low Carb = controversy on here! But low carb is what works for me! There are lots of us on here doing various levels of "low carb"
Don't just listen to the naysayers! It is a healthier lifestyle then people think it is.

When I started I kept my carbs as low as I could. Aiming for around 30 and keeping under 50. All of those carbs came from greens and veggies- healthy sources. The first week was HORRIBLE adjusting to going off wheat and sugar!!!! But then I felt AMAZING and the weight fell off and I was NEVER hungry! It depends on how hard core you want to be Keeping carbs under 100 grams is a great moderate way to lose. The KEY is to get your carbs from healthy sources : tons of green veggies, fruits, sweet potatoes.

I feel like a totally different person when I eat like this.
Edited by yummummum On June 20, 2012 8:37 AM
June 20, 2012 8:39 AM
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Any anthropology or biochemistry students will tell you low carb dieting is a clean, safe, and very healthy way to thrive.
I'm completely impressed with the body's ability to utilize fats and proteins for fuel. Carbohydrates exist in fruits and vegetables, so you're never going to be entirely carb free.
Keeping them below 100 is fantastic.. 70 is even better.

Besides, everyone's chemistry is different. If you have candida overgrowth or insulin resistance, you will meet a lot of problematic symptoms that pass after about 20-30 days.

I say it's worth it to every person on the planet, to at least try out. Good luck to you! flowerforyou

Thanks for the laugh! Really.

I have more endomorphic qualities. That means my insulin resistance is high. HOWEVER, I am dropping weight just fine on average of 200+ carbs a day. You can even check my log. It goes like this:

1. Carbs have been made out to be evil due to pure bunk science.
2. Over all calorie intake matters.
3. A balance of ALL three macros MATTER for long term health.

EAT YOUR DAMN CARBS!


I appreciate your willingness to be honest about how you feel toward diet. By the same token, everyone is different like I said before. Glad to see you've found what works for you flowerforyou
OP, you've got to try everything before you figure out what your body likes best. Granted, grains and phytates are damaging to the gut lining and may not affect everyone in the same way.
It's truly about eating clean and smart. Experimentation and research are definitely required in order to find each person's personal happy place.
June 20, 2012 8:49 AM
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Low carb takes the joy out of life. And low carb means limiting fruit. Fruit is good for you. And IMO, a diet is not successful if it "worked" for someone. If it is successful, it is "still working" for someone. Anyone can lose weight, not many can keep it off. Try something that works for you. Usually people get tired of low carb, go back to eating normal and gain all the weight back. What a headache. If you go low carb, try limiting yourself to 150 grams per day. Not the super strict 20. Good luck!


That's generally a product of a lazy cook and no creative streak in the kitchen IMO. I enjoy the foods that I eat now MUCH more than the old carb laden crap that most people eat. That stuff just doesn't taste very good once you're off of it for a while, and the only reason it does taste good is the addiction response that most have to grains and sugar.
  4724989
June 20, 2012 8:50 AM
Um first of all - food is for nourishment, not enjoyment. So there shouldn't be any joy in it in the first place.

Low carb lifestyles are just fine. Because usually, healthy eaters and eating fruits and veggies which have enough carbs in them to keep up your energy levels. The reason people get headaches is because our bodies get used to that constant intake of too many carbs.

IMO - Saying low carb lifestyles are bad for you because you body feels weak at first is akin to saying alcoholics should continue drinking heavily because its too painful to stop.
June 20, 2012 8:53 AM
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I generally eat very low carb simply because I don't eat bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, etc. Not for any weight loss reason, but because when I eat those things (even the gluten free varieties) I simply do not feel good. My digestion is thrown off, I feel like my head is cloudy, I'm tired and lethargic.


I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. I first tried the low carb lifestyle for weightloss reasons but now I do it because I generally function better when I keep my carbs low. If I go over 100 carbs a day, I feel the need to take a nap right at my desk at work no matter how much caffeine I put in my system. I am more alert, quicker in movement, and even my memory is better when I stay away from sugar and starches.



This exactly. I get a very heavy feeling after eating something I shouldn't and all I want to do is sleep or sit and eat more of the forbidden food.

My wife and son are also gluten intolerant and have immediate side effects when they eat wheat, so we have to stay off of that for medical purposes anyway, but we all feel better eating like this.
  4724989
June 20, 2012 8:53 AM
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Um first of all - food is for nourishment, not enjoyment. So there shouldn't be any joy in it in the first place.

Low carb lifestyles are just fine. Because usually, healthy eaters and eating fruits and veggies which have enough carbs in them to keep up your energy levels. The reason people get headaches is because our bodies get used to that constant intake of too many carbs.

IMO - Saying low carb lifestyles are bad for you because you body feels weak at first is akin to saying alcoholics should continue drinking heavily because its too painful to stop.


HA, so true.

I'm willing to bet that 99% of the naysayers on MFP have never actually tried the way of eating, or if they did, they didn't fully commit and give it an honest chance. Where as most low carbers have tried everything else under the sun at some point and found that limiting carbs makes them feel better, operate better and reshapes their body with less effort.
Edited by Marll On June 20, 2012 8:55 AM
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June 20, 2012 9:23 AM
I just transitioned off a low carb, low cal diet. It was not for me and I'll never do that again. I made it, no cheating at all, for 2 months and I was miserable. Exhausted and hungry all of the time. Of course induction was horrible but things never really got much better. I never returned to my fitness levels previous to starting. About a month before I started I went on a casual 20 mile bike ride with no issues, 7 weeks into low carb/cal I could barely do 5-6 miles on my bike and it was hard work the whole way.

Within days of returning fruits & whole grains to my diet and adding 300 calories to my daily intake I felt awesome. Went on an 8 mile bike ride and barely broke a sweat.

I know some folks do very well on low carb, but I am most certainly not one of those people.
June 20, 2012 9:33 AM
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I'm willing to bet that 99% of the naysayers on MFP have never actually tried the way of eating, or if they did, they didn't fully commit and give it an honest chance.


Like 99% of all assumptions, I'm 99% sure that your assumption is wrong.
  8487736
June 20, 2012 9:36 AM
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Um first of all - food is for nourishment, not enjoyment. So there shouldn't be any joy in it in the first place.



For me, food is most certainly to be enjoyed! Nutrition is important absolutely, but that doesn’t have to take the pleasure out of it. Sharing and enjoying meals together is one of our species longest held and dearest traditions.

Food is my most favorite creative outlet. It was getting healthier and studying nutrition that got me into cooking so much. Nothing relaxes or satisfies me more than making a meal for myself or friends, spending time in the kitchen, creating new recipes and then enjoying the spoils of my efforts.

Maybe you don’t want to “enjoy” food, but that doesn’t mean no one should. Yikes.
June 20, 2012 9:36 AM
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I just transitioned off a low carb, low cal diet. It was not for me and I'll never do that again. I made it, no cheating at all, for 2 months and I was miserable. Exhausted and hungry all of the time. Of course induction was horrible but things never really got much better. I never returned to my fitness levels previous to starting. About a month before I started I went on a casual 20 mile bike ride with no issues, 7 weeks into low carb/cal I could barely do 5-6 miles on my bike and it was hard work the whole way.

Within days of returning fruits & whole grains to my diet and adding 300 calories to my daily intake I felt awesome. Went on an 8 mile bike ride and barely broke a sweat.

I know some folks do very well on low carb, but I am most certainly not one of those people.


Why in the world would you do a low carb, low calorie diet? That is not recommended by any low carb source? Low carb diets are generally relatively higher on the calorie intake than most "diets", heck I've taken in over 800 calories of chicken just before 9am this morning....

The biggest problem I see is that people do low carb all wrong. They combine it with low fat (a HUGE no-no), low calorie, or try to do it without eating meat and then pass judgment such that it didn't work and then spread that misinformation around.

I have a very good friend that did just that. He "tried" Atkins years ago, but only at processed low carb foods and never any vegtables. He felt like crap, he was very opposed to it and said that it didn't work and he felt ill all the time. Fast forward many years and after all other diets failed him, he turned back to low carb/paleo and this time actually READ how to do it properly and he's a changed man. More energy, better mood, better complexion, and has lost over 60lbs.
  4724989
June 20, 2012 9:40 AM
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I'm willing to bet that 99% of the naysayers on MFP have never actually tried the way of eating, or if they did, they didn't fully commit and give it an honest chance.


Like 99% of all assumptions, I'm 99% sure that your assumption is wrong.


Adding a % number to anything is folly I suppose, however based on observations on these forums and the outright hostility that most people appear to have for low carb, and their unwillingness to even consider that it can and does work long term for many people colors my comments. I've gotten in debates with many people over the subject and many freely admit to never trying it and never will, but feel free to bash the s**t out of it. The same type of treatment never seems to happen to an equally (read MORE) restrictive diet in veganism, which is generally applauded as a wise choice.
  4724989
June 20, 2012 9:48 AM
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Low carb takes the joy out of life. And low carb means limiting fruit. Fruit is good for you. And IMO, a diet is not successful if it "worked" for someone. If it is successful, it is "still working" for someone. Anyone can lose weight, not many can keep it off. Try something that works for you. Usually people get tired of low carb, go back to eating normal and gain all the weight back. What a headache. If you go low carb, try limiting yourself to 150 grams per day. Not the super strict 20. Good luck!


Well, let me think... would I rather give up a nice fatty ribeye steak, or a bowl of plain white rice? Hmmm... not too tough of a decision for me there. It's ultimately knowing yourself that is going to dictate the success you have with any lifestyle choice. I cannot tolerate a low-cal diet. I cannot fathom a life filled with foods that aren't really filling. There are plenty of people that live a low carb lifestyle successfully and joyfully. For most that try it and gain it back, as the above post says "go back to eating normal"... realize what "normal" is. That means returning to the way of eating that caused you to be fat in the first place. It would happen to anyone that did that, regardless of the eating plan they lost the weight with.
June 20, 2012 9:57 AM
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Adding a % number to anything is folly I suppose, however based on observations on these forums and the outright hostility that most people appear to have for low carb, and their unwillingness to even consider that it can and does work long term for many people colors my comments. I've gotten in debates with many people over the subject and many freely admit to never trying it and never will, but feel free to bash the s**t out of it. The same type of treatment never seems to happen to an equally (read MORE) restrictive diet in veganism, which is generally applauded as a wise choice.


I first tried a low-carb diet back in the early 70s, which was even pre-Atkins, so I've had plenty of personal experience with the idea. My guess is that many, if not most, other people have tried it at some time in their life.

As far as who gets the most grief here, there was a multi-page thread of mainly vegan/vegetarian abuse locked in the Food and Nutrition forum just the other day. People love to label veganism as an eating disorder or otherexia, but no one bats an eye at someone living on almost no carbs at all.
  8487736
June 20, 2012 10:00 AM
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Just cutting carbs doesn't work very long. You still have to watch calories. Your father started at a very high weight, it falls off faster at that weight and it falls off faster for men usually then women.

With that said, I low(er) carb and it works great but I am very strict on my carbs and my calories are very controlled. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you just low carb without calorie control or increase in exercise you wont get very far.


I got pretty far... 140 pounds off without counting a single calorie in 8 months. Oh and KEPT it off until I got pregnant. Then I ate whatever the heck I wanted- which was usually carbs. So now- lot's of "baby weight" to lose. The carb addiction cycle is horrible, and I'm glad to be off it and getting healthy again. Keeping in mind that in my case, I am insulin resistant and I was so addicted (yes, I will use the word addicted, though some say it's not a true addiction) I would get migraine headaches and nausea if I wasn't eating something sugary. My carb withdrawal this time around was sheer torture, but I'm glad I stuck with it.

Someone on here posted something I feel is pretty brilliant:

"Eating protein does not make me want to eat more protein.
Eating fat does not make me want to eat more fat.
Eating carbs... makes me want to eat more carbs."
June 20, 2012 10:39 AM
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Adding a % number to anything is folly I suppose, however based on observations on these forums and the outright hostility that most people appear to have for low carb, and their unwillingness to even consider that it can and does work long term for many people colors my comments. I've gotten in debates with many people over the subject and many freely admit to never trying it and never will, but feel free to bash the s**t out of it. The same type of treatment never seems to happen to an equally (read MORE) restrictive diet in veganism, which is generally applauded as a wise choice.


I first tried a low-carb diet back in the early 70s, which was even pre-Atkins, so I've had plenty of personal experience with the idea. My guess is that many, if not most, other people have tried it at some time in their life.

As far as who gets the most grief here, there was a multi-page thread of mainly vegan/vegetarian abuse locked in the Food and Nutrition forum just the other day. People love to label veganism as an eating disorder or otherexia, but no one bats an eye at someone living on almost no carbs at all.


I would vengture to guess that most people have not tried a low carb diet at some point, though just about everyone has heard of it and all the falsehoods that go along with it.

I don't agree with specficially bashing a way of eating, I just don't agree with some of them. The problem that I have with vegans in particular (and my sister was a vegitarian/vegan for 15 years and recently converted to paleo, and my mom is a vegan now) is that they tend to act like zealots and veganism is almost like a cult IMO.
  4724989
June 20, 2012 10:42 AM
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Low carb takes the joy out of life. And low carb means limiting fruit. Fruit is good for you. And IMO, a diet is not successful if it "worked" for someone. If it is successful, it is "still working" for someone. Anyone can lose weight, not many can keep it off. Try something that works for you. Usually people get tired of low carb, go back to eating normal and gain all the weight back. What a headache. If you go low carb, try limiting yourself to 150 grams per day. Not the super strict 20. Good luck!


Well, let me think... would I rather give up a nice fatty ribeye steak, or a bowl of plain white rice? Hmmm... not too tough of a decision for me there. It's ultimately knowing yourself that is going to dictate the success you have with any lifestyle choice. I cannot tolerate a low-cal diet. I cannot fathom a life filled with foods that aren't really filling. There are plenty of people that live a low carb lifestyle successfully and joyfully. For most that try it and gain it back, as the above post says "go back to eating normal"... realize what "normal" is. That means returning to the way of eating that caused you to be fat in the first place. It would happen to anyone that did that, regardless of the eating plan they lost the weight with.


That's the thing that always mystifies me. Low carb gets bashed because we "give up food groups" but hardly anyone bats and eye when others do the same, as long as they are cutting out meat and fat.

I'd MUCH rather have that nice fat steak, slathered in herb butter with a side of grilled asparagus, a genuine ceasar salad (I replace the crutons with marcona almonds) with full fat dressing, some bacon wrapped scallops sauteed in butter and maybe some lobster drowned in butter (all in the same meal mind you) than some boring low fat no taste foods. Net result is that I have still lost weight, maintained all my muscle and overall feel much better than I ever have even when in GREAT shape on a "normal" diet.
Edited by Marll On June 20, 2012 10:44 AM
  4724989
June 20, 2012 10:42 AM
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The problem that I have with vegans in particular (and my sister was a vegitarian/vegan for 15 years and recently converted to paleo, and my mom is a vegan now) is that they tend to act like zealots and veganism is almost like a cult IMO.


Yup, no zealotry or cultish behavior for Paleo or low carbers

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