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August 18, 2009 5:32 PM
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My niece is 3 and has done this since she was about 7/8 months old. She takes miralax (I think it's sold over the counter now) which helps a little. Pear juice is supposed to help as well. Broccoli if you can get her to eat it and popcorn is great.

If worst comes to worst (if it's been a couple of days) we sit her on the toilet and tell her she can come out when she's done.


yes she's on miralax now. annnny day now. and i better break the earplugs out while shes in the bathroom.

.s.
  165637
August 18, 2009 5:32 PM
My 4 year old was in a somewhat similar situation...when she started preschool at 3 she started holding it in...which led to stomach pain and cramps. Now she's 4 and about to start a new school...sure enough she has started pooping in her underwear now (I know that's not what is happening to your daugther). I know a lot of parents and doctors will disagree with my method but it worked for both instances...bribery. She loves chocolate so she gets a small piece of chocolate every time she goes on the potty. Our pediatrician suggested stickers stickers but stickers just aren't motivating enough for her...but "treats" are. Obviously this will only work if she's not pooping because she's too scared/embarrassed etc. If she is only constipated and that's why she won't go, this obviously wouldn't work. But I suspect if she's too scared to go, it can lead to stomach upset and even constipation. I also give my kids a lot of juice...rarely any milk. Again, I know a lot of parents and doctors won't agree, but we have to do what works for us. Blueberries and grapes (lots of them!) work for my kids. Someone suggested nuts...nuts actually constipate me. My kids also have softer poos when they have chocolate pudding. The poo literally looks like chocolate pudding. Gross, I know. But at least it makes it soft! Good luck!
  221078
August 18, 2009 5:42 PM
I've seen this problem before. When children start kindergarten, they don't want to poop on the toilet at school. I don't know why. Sometimes they're afraid that someone will open the door on them. When the child gets home though, they really have to poop. Maybe you could ask the pre-school teacher.
August 18, 2009 5:42 PM
My son is currently under the care of a pediatric specialist for the same thing: grapes, fiber suppliments twice a day and vitamins. Fiber Sure in his food (when he doesn't see it), Fiber One bars and lots of fluids.

grapes, grape juice and fiber- lots of fiber.

A teaspoon of oil will clean her out in about 20 minutes. That is one of our clean out tecniques.

When my son was your daughter's age, I use to read to him in the bathroom, so he would relax and poop after about 20 minutes. He liked the time alone with me.

Do you think your daughter has ADD or ADHD? That can make it worse.

Good luck!
  130463
August 18, 2009 5:50 PM
QUOTE:

My son is currently under the care of a pediatric specialist for the same thing: grapes, fiber suppliments twice a day and vitamins. Fiber Sure in his food (when he doesn't see it), Fiber One bars and lots of fluids.

grapes, grape juice and fiber- lots of fiber.

A teaspoon of oil will clean her out in about 20 minutes. That is one of our clean out tecniques.

When my son was your daughter's age, I use to read to him in the bathroom, so he would relax and poop after about 20 minutes. He liked the time alone with me.

Do you think your daughter has ADD or ADHD? That can make it worse.

Good luck!


a teaspoon of what kind of oil? olive oil? how do you give it to him? just like medicine or do you mix it?
she's actually very good in school with no signs of add or adhd. she's very focused and disciplined, except the pooping.

.s.
  165637
August 18, 2009 5:51 PM
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I've seen this problem before. When children start kindergarten, they don't want to poop on the toilet at school. I don't know why. Sometimes they're afraid that someone will open the door on them. When the child gets home though, they really have to poop. Maybe you could ask the pre-school teacher.


i WISH the problem would subside once she gets home. like i mentioned i was hoping for a good summer vacation regularity but nope
  165637
August 18, 2009 5:52 PM


she's been on mira lax for a few days now. she's been off and on it for a few months. i also give her the senna product, but its in a quick dissolve tongue strip. she's actually still potty training. she'll go pee but not poo.

thank you for your help.

.stephanie.


I haven't had this same problem, but when I was potty training my 2 oleder boys (and now with my 3rd) they would pee really good on the potty, but they wouldn't poop on the potty, so I would put them in a Pull-up or diaper to poop. I did this until they were really comfortable with the potty training, then started with them on pooping on the potty. It took some time, but it worked.
I know this is not the same thing, just giving you my experience. Good luck. smile
  27142
August 18, 2009 5:53 PM
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My 4 year old was in a somewhat similar situation...when she started preschool at 3 she started holding it in...which led to stomach pain and cramps. Now she's 4 and about to start a new school...sure enough she has started pooping in her underwear now (I know that's not what is happening to your daugther). I know a lot of parents and doctors will disagree with my method but it worked for both instances...bribery. She loves chocolate so she gets a small piece of chocolate every time she goes on the potty. Our pediatrician suggested stickers stickers but stickers just aren't motivating enough for her...but "treats" are. Obviously this will only work if she's not pooping because she's too scared/embarrassed etc. If she is only constipated and that's why she won't go, this obviously wouldn't work. But I suspect if she's too scared to go, it can lead to stomach upset and even constipation. I also give my kids a lot of juice...rarely any milk. Again, I know a lot of parents and doctors won't agree, but we have to do what works for us. Blueberries and grapes (lots of them!) work for my kids. Someone suggested nuts...nuts actually constipate me. My kids also have softer poos when they have chocolate pudding. The poo literally looks like chocolate pudding. Gross, I know. But at least it makes it soft! Good luck!


trust me, i dare not judge your parenting! i'm so frustrated if it were the same circumstances i'm SURE i would try this method.

.s.
  165637
August 18, 2009 6:00 PM
Is she scared of the "toilet?
maybe try puttting her back in the pullups for a short times so she can go?
But all the other advice is what I would suggest too.
And see a specialist.
good luck
  157032
August 18, 2009 6:03 PM
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Is she scared of the "toilet?
maybe try puttting her back in the pullups for a short times so she can go?
But all the other advice is what I would suggest too.
And see a specialist.
good luck


no she's not afraid of the toilet. she'll go pee. and trust me ive tried the pull up so that she can go since the issue started when she starts potty training.

i guess i'm gonna have to see a specialist. thank u for ur help.

.s.
  165637
August 18, 2009 6:11 PM
we feel so sorry for you both. my daughter is here with me and she had similar problems, but mainly from her Cerebral Palsy. but she totaly understands and her suggestions was, I would put a few Tbsp of KARO syrup in a cup of hot cocoa. and that always seemed to relax and stimulate her to go, also the warm compress on her tummy and and we would rub her tummy. in a clockwise circular motion in the way that the bowels move. anything relaxing to soothe her
we wish you so much luck.
  157032
August 18, 2009 6:57 PM
Just reread your original post. I had a child in my daycare that did the same thing, he had OCD and feared public bathrooms. His doctor had his parents give him 1 tablespoon of olive oil in orange juice every morning, for months! They made the juice nearly frozen and blendered it into the juice so it would not separate. Just two or three ounces! It kept him regular and was not chemical so no fear of his digestive tract becoming dependant on the laxative like milk of magnesia or something else. Hope that helps your child get used to regular bathroom visits!
  172475
August 18, 2009 7:10 PM
QUOTE:

Just reread your original post. I had a child in my daycare that did the same thing, he had OCD and feared public bathrooms. His doctor had his parents give him 1 tablespoon of olive oil in orange juice every morning, for months! They made the juice nearly frozen and blendered it into the juice so it would not separate. Just two or three ounces! It kept him regular and was not chemical so no fear of his digestive tract becoming dependant on the laxative like milk of magnesia or something else. Hope that helps your child get used to regular bathroom visits!


i have not tried this yet, but i remember the dr. suggesting it. i had no idea what kind of "oil" he was talking about. i will try this. thank u!

.s.
  165637
August 18, 2009 7:12 PM
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we feel so sorry for you both. my daughter is here with me and she had similar problems, but mainly from her Cerebral Palsy. but she totaly understands and her suggestions was, I would put a few Tbsp of KARO syrup in a cup of hot cocoa. and that always seemed to relax and stimulate her to go, also the warm compress on her tummy and and we would rub her tummy. in a clockwise circular motion in the way that the bowels move. anything relaxing to soothe her
we wish you so much luck.


thank you for your kind words and suggestions. much appreciated!

.s.
  165637
August 18, 2009 7:32 PM
I have a degree in early childhood education and a minor in child development. I have worked in a daycare and school setting so I have some experience.

I was wondering if you have discussed this with her pre-school teachers and maybe even the director? I wonder if something is going on at school that is making her feel ashamed to go number 2. It could be the teachers or the other children ( or neither). It is hard to say but it just seems really strange that a child so young would be so ashamed to perform a normal bodily function. Maybe her teachers could really work with you and make it a positive and exciting thing for her to go poop in the potty. Then you could celebrate it at home or she could get stickers on a special paper at school when she goes and then she can show it to you when you pick her up at school.

I would also really consider seeking a child psychologist's thoughts on this matter because it seems to be getting pretty serious. It seems that this type of doctor would find the main source which is very important in a child's development. Yes, you can use juice etc to help her go but that won't really get to the main reason she is doing this.

I really hope that you can get to the bottom of this soon because I know how hard it must be for you to watch your daughter go through this.

Once again these are just some thoughts from a different perspective. I don't mean to offend you in anyway!
  179321
August 18, 2009 7:44 PM
I've heard of this before, even years ago. I have 4 kids-all teens by now, but this has always worked for me as a parent-wrotten or not. BRIBERY works amazing for most things. Everytime she takes a crap, give her a sticker or whatever. 5 tickets, she gets to buy a toy or whatever. I bribed my kids with candy to go potty. My last kid-noway. So, I THREATENED her. She couldn't get off the potty till she went. Dang kid sat for 2 1/2 hours on the deck, even with company. Ate her dinner on it. And once she went-it was a celebration, and she never turned back. This to me is a psych issue, for whatever reason. If you're giving her all that fiber and things it should come out no prob. You need to get to the bottom (excuse the pun) of it. Get another Pediatricain for sure, yours is useless. (I'm a CRN who works in Pediatrics).
Give her supps now because its probably impacted. Would she possibly have hemmoroids from holding it in and having to push it out? Those are awefully painful. Meatmucil orange flavor is very yummy tasting also. Just give a partial dose, it shouldn't hurt her. Does she let you look at her bum? Check for hemorroids, the poop being right there and give her a supp. Put her on the potty in front of the TV, show her her treat when she does it, put in ear plugs and cry with her. Good luck. You need to get a book about school or something, buy her some school stuff and outfits to get her excited and visit the playground. Do you have a young sitter who goes to school who can talk to her, or friends with older kids? That might help too.flowerforyou Take care, Kath-mother of the year-ha! PS-she has to drink A LOT of Water too.drinker
Edited by hmo4 On August 18, 2009 7:46 PM
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August 18, 2009 8:13 PM
I have a 6 year old son that went through the exact same thing when he was about 3. His poo would be the size of an orange and would be hard as a rock...we had to get it out manually a couple of times..he would cry and cry and it was horrible! But what worked for us was a combination of the things the bloggers have posted. I did start with olive oil in oatmeal every day and that loosened it up enough for him to go every other day without pain. I kinda had to play a few games with him and reassure him it wouldn't hurt. He was on Miralax and all the bulk fibers also, but none of those worked. But what has worked for us is REAL fiber from fruits and veggies. I know that's tough with a toddler but I started with canned fruit in syrup and worked our way to fresh. And I hid veggies in the food like spinach in lasanga and etc... So I lessened the olive oil and increased the natural fiber and lots of water (several glasses of warm water is also a stimulant. I played the "I can drink water faster than you" game with him and that worked lol) . We had a poop try every day around the same time and after a few weeks, he was ready to poo as soon as we walked in the door in the evenings. I know its a lot but I hope this helps. I know the feeling of being helpless when they're crying and trying to get it out....
Edited by jazzyjules2004 On August 18, 2009 8:15 PM
  259710
August 18, 2009 8:41 PM
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I have a 6 year old son that went through the exact same thing when he was about 3. His poo would be the size of an orange and would be hard as a rock...we had to get it out manually a couple of times..he would cry and cry and it was horrible! But what worked for us was a combination of the things the bloggers have posted. I did start with olive oil in oatmeal every day and that loosened it up enough for him to go every other day without pain. I kinda had to play a few games with him and reassure him it wouldn't hurt. He was on Miralax and all the bulk fibers also, but none of those worked. But what has worked for us is REAL fiber from fruits and veggies. I know that's tough with a toddler but I started with canned fruit in syrup and worked our way to fresh. And I hid veggies in the food like spinach in lasanga and etc... So I lessened the olive oil and increased the natural fiber and lots of water (several glasses of warm water is also a stimulant. I played the "I can drink water faster than you" game with him and that worked lol) . We had a poop try every day around the same time and after a few weeks, he was ready to poo as soon as we walked in the door in the evenings. I know its a lot but I hope this helps. I know the feeling of being helpless when they're crying and trying to get it out....


does it matter if its extra virgin olive oil? about how many tablespoons?
  165637
August 19, 2009 7:28 AM
If your daughter will not eat her fruits and veggies - try Miralax.
My friends boys are on it because they do the exact same as your daughter, and their pediatrician recommended using Miralax.
Miralax disolves in water or juice or even in your food and is completely tasteless.
August 19, 2009 7:40 AM
It sounds like her problem is anxiety, not actually producing excrement. The last thing I would do is load her up with fibrous foods so that her colon becomes impacted because she's too scared to make a bowel movement. If she were to respond to the stimulus correctly (I feel the need to poop so I'm going to poop) her excrement wouldn't be hard and too large to pass. The problem that needs to be addressed is her willingness to use the toilet.
  312
August 19, 2009 9:50 AM
I started with 2 tablespoons just as a stool softener. And I don't think it matters what kind of olive oil
  259710
August 19, 2009 10:25 AM
I called my previous client. He said they started out with 2 tablespoons and then backed off to one tablespoon when things got moving! kept him at 1 tablespoon for a year till the pattern was well established. Due to the OCD.
  172475
August 19, 2009 10:30 AM
I had the same problem as a kid, and it lasted well into ...... I dunno, 10 to 12 years old. No idea what started it, no idea what ended it. I would hold for weeks at the time, then spend LITERALLY an entire Saturday sitting on the toilet, straining to KEEP IT IN because I knew it would hurt like a mofo by that point. My poor mom was so frustrated and worried.

My kiddo (4 years old) developed a constipation/ 'not wanting to go because it hurt' issue around 18 months - 2 years old. The pediatrician gave us miralax. Too much of it and it creates loose stools (just a clean up issue there), and too little doesn't do anything. We had to find the right balance. Prescription Miralax comes in a huge container for a reasonable copay -- over the counter Miralax comes in a small container for a lot of money (comparatively). And as said above, completely tasteless and odorless. Can be mixed in any juice or put into applesauce or in ice cream -- anywhere!

I'd call the pediatrician and ask about it. Get a script. On a Friday afternoon, dose the girl up with as much Miralax as is advisable by the doctor, and Saturday and Sunday the same. Flush her out. Keep her on reasonable doses after that to keep her moving regularly and gently. If it's a mental block, she would be able to move past the fear of pain after a few months (I'd think). If it's a phyical thing, talk to the doc about what foods to use. (Our pediatrician recommended green beans, even dipped in ketchup for our picky eater.)

Good luck with this! I can't imagine the stressful nature of it as a mom, but I experienced as a kid, and it was no fun. flowerforyou
Edited by Phoenix_Rising On August 19, 2009 10:31 AM
  72489
August 20, 2009 5:59 PM
QUOTE:

I called my previous client. He said they started out with 2 tablespoons and then backed off to one tablespoon when things got moving! kept him at 1 tablespoon for a year till the pattern was well established. Due to the OCD.

thank you for the information. i'd much rather give her something natural then laxatives.
*sigh* wish me luck.
  165637
August 20, 2009 6:17 PM
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QUOTE:

I called my previous client. He said they started out with 2 tablespoons and then backed off to one tablespoon when things got moving! kept him at 1 tablespoon for a year till the pattern was well established. Due to the OCD.

thank you for the information. i'd much rather give her something natural then laxatives.
*sigh* wish me luck.


Just don't tell her what it is for, just do it! Teach her to dip bread in the Oil at the table, very euro, she will feel all grown up!
  172475

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