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June 16, 2012 11:43 PM
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Also look at how OFTEN your eating.
I'm eating 5 times a day to keep the metabalism going, and it's working for me!
Between 2000 and 2500 sounds about right to lose as well.


I eat once a day, twice tops. 1000-2700cal depending on the day. I lost 40lbs of fat in 3mos with that method...and am regularly losing 1-2lbs a week again, on this same method.

I don't mean this in a rude manner, and I see you only have two posts so please don't run off...but meal timing being a necessity, or even an assist for weight loss is a complete and total myth. If it helps you stay under your intake...keep doing it by all means! But understand its helping you maintain self control, not helping your body burn fat.
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June 16, 2012 11:54 PM
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Also look at how OFTEN your eating.
I'm eating 5 times a day to keep the metabalism going, and it's working for me!
Between 2000 and 2500 sounds about right to lose as well.


I eat once a day, twice tops. 1000-2700cal depending on the day. I lost 40lbs of fat in 3mos with that method...and am regularly losing 1-2lbs a week again, on this same method.

I don't mean this in a rude manner, and I see you only have two posts so please don't run off...but meal timing being a necessity, or even an assist for weight loss is a complete and total myth. If it helps you stay under your intake...keep doing it by all means! But understand its helping you maintain self control, not helping your body burn fat.


^ This is correct.

See here for a referenced post containing links to some research that explains this in a bit more detail:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/529002-a-compliation-on-meal-frequency
June 17, 2012 12:03 AM
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@Sidesteal Well my point was that I'm still gaining weight, even though I barely reach my TDEE, which should, in theory, make me lose weight, which is really weird and rather disconcerting to me. Not sure how 2000 is gonna help, but I guess I can try it and enter it all in MFP.

oh, and to whoever asked, I'm 5'9"


I'll tell you when I started entering everything into MFP, it surprised the **** outta me.
  24172382
June 17, 2012 12:29 AM
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No, what i've been saying is that I had been trying to eat my TDEE and I had still been gaining alot of weight there, I know it's where you maintain weight, but I wasn't is my point. But what I usually eat is probably closer to what you said is my TDEE. Even though i'm almost positive I didn't eat over that, I'll just go ahead and eat around 2000 and see what happens and check back in with you guys in a month.


Your true TDEE is where you neither gain nor lose weight.

It is NOT a value in a calculator, though that can get you close perhaps.

So you are most obviously eating ABOVE your TDEE if you are gaining weight week after week. Now, the math says some of this is probably water weight. How much did you lose initially when you first went back to the 1200 low carb diet?
June 17, 2012 12:47 AM
only eating crappy deli meats and low carb atkins bars was what killed you honestly. you need a more varied selection.. and not to mention vegetables.
  23299295
June 17, 2012 12:53 AM
Deli meats have nitrates and a ton of sodium. Could some of that weight be water weight? Deli meats are not even fresh meat. They grind it all up, add a bunch of chemicals and food colors to make it look pretty, put it in a mold and then send it to the deli counter where they slice it. If you don't believe google "how its made" it was on that show not too long ago.

Why not try real food. I am a vegetarian so I hate advising people to eat meat but if you are going to eat meat stick to the unprocessed whole foods. Chicken, pork, occasional red meat. Turkey is the best option in my opinion because it has the least amount of hormones. Also eat veggies and enjoy a piece of fruit once in awhile. Even whole eggs are better than deli meats.
June 17, 2012 1:01 AM
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Might not be exactly the one, but this is relevant to the topic:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15615615


Looks like it is correct. I'll have to find the expanded version of it.

Something doesn't ring true.

290 kJ/kgd
69.3 cal / kgd
152.5 calories / lb / day

When they measure your RMR via indirect calorimetry, the RER or RQ usually shows about 70% fat is used.

If this is a person with say 30 lbs of fat, that would mean 4574 calories day.
If this person had RMR of 1800 and laid around all day awake, they'd burn 1260 of that in fat.

So even if they could somehow burn total fat, it's not used up for the a whole day.

And we haven't even started moving around yet.

I don't see the problem, except in the case of my ultramarathoners - whose training has obviously gotten them around this issue the study found.

Even your goal weight 160 lb guys with 12% BF or 19.2 lbs would see 2928 calories available from fat in a day.

Shoot, I found a calculator on it, and it says I could actually shoot for 2lbs a day safely as far as how much energy the fat could supply.

http://www.weightrainer.net/losscalc.html

I don't see it as an issue except for the lean and trim doing endurance events that is primarily fat burning.

For the majority on MFP - I just don't see it causing an issue.
June 17, 2012 1:13 AM
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only eating crappy deli meats and low carb atkins bars was what killed you honestly. you need a more varied selection.. and not to mention vegetables.


From a weight loss perspective, you can eat crappy deli meats and low carb atkins bars and lose weight as long as you are at a reasonable deficit from your TDEE (although as one poster noted, the deli meats could cause more water weight). Is it particularly nutritious - no, will it stop weight loss, assuming calories are below TDEE, no.
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June 17, 2012 1:22 AM
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You keep forgetting that your body can only metabolize so much fat in one day. If you only eat enough to support your LBM, and what your body can pull from fat reserves in a day isn't enough to supply the additional energy...your body WILL metabolize lean mass.

Its science man...plain and simple.


I've heard that mentioned 2 times now - your body can only metabolize so much fat in a day.

Where is the study for this, I've never found it?

I find instead studies of ultramarathoners who have trained their aerobic system so well that they slip into 50% fat burning mode for 24 hrs and have no issues. At some point in there the glucose is usually used up and they do burn some muscle, but the fat burning stayed at 50% or better.

That is a lot of fat burned in a day, so I'd love to see that study.


I used to run marathons. One cool thing about running for long distance is your body learns to conserve glycogen so you don't hit the dreaded wall (I.e. run out of glycogen). The body also wants to hang onto lean mass as it needs it to run. You become a super fat burning machine and burn a higher proportion of fat than the average person.

The only thing the body can only burn a certain amount of in a day is glycogen as there is a limited supply and believe me you know when you've run out of it. Cyclists call it bonking. Cleverly eating a high energy snack can start restoring it immediately.

Dieting conversely teaches the body to conserve fat over lean tissue. Got to love the human body's ability to adapt to survive.
June 17, 2012 1:32 AM
I had the same problem at first. I felt like I was stuffing myself to just reach my calorie goal. I am allowed to eat 2600 to stay at my weight and 1900 to lose weight, I am allowed to eat 600 calories under the 1900 before it is considered "starving myself". You do not want to eat through out the day. It's really good to stay on a high fiber diet as well, like nuts and wheat bread.. stuff like that, which will help fill in those gaps with the whole calorie thing. Also do not eat unhealthy foods like pizza, cheeseburgers anything like that to fill in those gaps because yes It will help you reach the calorie goal you need but those carbs and fat will also go wayyy over what your intake is supposed to be. I've lost 30 lbs since I started this whole losing weight thing. It is hard at first, but it gets easier. If you need anymore help you can go ahead and add me if you'd like. Help this helped!smile
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June 17, 2012 1:53 AM
I know what they say about eating more but I think its bull unless your burning most of it off. I went to the gym for a year and my trainer told me i should be eating more to lose weight especially when I was training alot, which at one stage was 5 times a week. Now to answer the carb thing, ive also looked up so much info about this and when i started my new diet at the end of april I went for eating as much protein as i could, I still had carbs but mine would have been between 50-100g per day coz Im not giving up fruit and cereal. But I did read that when you go low low carb as soon as you start to eat carbs again you pile it back on, it said that one cake might make you out on 4llbs and more, not i dont know if this is realyl true or not, but one thing i do know, its its bloody hard to keep your carbs as low as you have, there are carbs in most thing, fruits and veg, so what are you supposed to do.
They say eat like a cave man, the cave man was slim as he ate protein all the time, as thats all they would have, they ate seasonal so ate very little fruits or veg in a year.BUT YOUR BODY NEED PROTEIN, AND CARBS AND FAT TOO to wrork correctly, your brain needs some fat to help it function.
So like you id did the same, low carbs and one day after 3 weeks of doing it, i was starving and out shopping and the thought of a cupcake was too much so i had one, needless to say with days my weight had went up a few pounds, and for the next for weeks it didnt budge, which actually made me sad and i totally felt like giving in, and was annoyed with myself that i had eaten that one small cupcake which was withing my cals allowence for that day, grrrrrrrrrrr.
There is no one on here that can provide you with sceintific evidence that suddenly eating something high carb would put alot of weight on you, I only wish there was someone who could actually say that one little cake woudl ruin your diet, rubbish. My weight goes up and down every day, today i am 1 quarter pound up and i think crap, I ate a wispa yesterday.
I think that the reason you have gained is that your eating too many calouries and not burning them off. When i eat normal i can easy shove away 3000 in one day and my weight goes up slowely but it goes up goes im not doing much exercise. And on the other hand of the coin i did weight watchers since january but had 2 days off per week and never lost anything, it took me to reaslise to stick to it each day and then all of a sudden i had lost 8 llbs in 3 weeks. I hope you can see what Im going on about mate.
June 17, 2012 2:04 AM
Aslo just reading about someone eating once a day, now they all say on all the tv programs that this is no good for you. And im my expereince fo freinds who are far they all do the same thing, they eating nothing all day and eat there entire allowence or more in one go usually at night. Now im not skinny but they make me look thin and i can see the difference in the way I eat to the way they eat. That poster may be eating once a day but i bet its not a night, more likely lunch time and he will be stuffed all day long with the cals he is taking in , in one go.
Many times i have eaten out and had nothing the rest fo the day and still lost weight which is weird but i wouldnt advocate it as your body gets used to patterns. Mine seem to survive well on 1200 a day and it doesnt even make me tired, Im actual fact I can eat quite alot for that.But I swing from one to another, the more i eat the more i want to eat and when i my gets used to eating less then i cant face it anymore. its weird I know lol.
June 17, 2012 2:07 AM
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There is no one on here that can provide you with sceintific evidence that suddenly eating something high carb would put alot of weight on you, I only wish there was someone who could actually say that one little cake woudl ruin your diet, rubbish. My weight goes up and down every day, today i am 1 quarter pound up and i think crap, I ate a wispa yesterday.
I think that the reason you have gained is that your eating too many calouries and not burning them off. When i eat normal i can easy shove away 3000 in one day and my weight goes up slowely but it goes up goes im not doing much exercise. And on the other hand of the coin i did weight watchers since january but had 2 days off per week and never lost anything, it took me to reaslise to stick to it each day and then all of a sudden i had lost 8 llbs in 3 weeks. I hope you can see what Im going on about mate.



Here's an explanation. It's the reverse of when someone drops a lot of weight on the first week of their diet. It's water weight, not fat.

http://www.justinowings.com/understanding-bodyweight-and-glycogen-de/
  14463414
June 17, 2012 7:58 AM
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Why is your goal to eat at your TDEE if you want to lose weight? You want to eat well below your TDEE. 1000 calories/day below it to lose around 2 lbs/week. You are absolutely NOT hurting anything by doing that. It's a very conservative weight loss plan, not aggressive. That's according to authorities, not internet mythology. Please don't give up. It really is that simple.


Because it's a calculation that can be off. I lost my weight eating at TDEE (1 lb a week). I went from netting 1200 to netting 1650 a day. Sedentary, very sedentary (back problems). I'm now 30 lbs lighter, active and eating over 2000 to maintain.

Also God love you raven for the http://www.justinowings.com/understanding-bodyweight-and-glycogen-de/ link
Edited by CoderGal On June 17, 2012 8:02 AM
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June 17, 2012 8:01 AM
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only eating crappy deli meats and low carb atkins bars was what killed you honestly. you need a more varied selection.. and not to mention vegetables.


From a weight loss perspective, you can eat crappy deli meats and low carb atkins bars and lose weight as long as you are at a reasonable deficit from your TDEE (although as one poster noted, the deli meats could cause more water weight). Is it particularly nutritious - no, will it stop weight loss, assuming calories are below TDEE, no.

as the person who has eaten 30 oreo cookies in a day, you can loose weight eating crappy foods.

As for the how often you eat per day comments. I had to test this one out for a period of time to prove a point. I'm one of those weigh myself a million times a day for scientific research people lol. The down low of it is when I ate gazillion meals a day at approximately the same calories, I'd wake up heavier, but my highest weight would be lower. This makes sense, I never had a large amount of food in me at any given time, so I was lighter then usual the rest of the day. But I was heavier by the end of the day because I ate across a larger time frame...so the difference in time between my last meal and my breakfast was shorter. And if I went with my regular 3 meals a day, I would wake up lighter but have a higher top weight at some point during the day. (large meals = more weight for digestion period) In conclusion, what does it really matter? Your average weight is going to be the same. Do you really want to go around saying you're top weight is lower because you eat mouse meals? You could do the same thing for eating veeerrryyy slowwwlyyy with big meals. Is it really that important? Do what you enjoy, don't do it for the ridiculously low delta difference in weight factor.
Edited by CoderGal On June 17, 2012 8:18 AM
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