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June 16, 2012 8:54 PM
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Due to the additional risk factors associated with poverty, food insecure and low-income people are especially vulnerable to obesity http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/why-are-low-income-and-food-insecure-people-vulnerable-to-obesity/


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Numerous studies show that low-income children and adults are far more likely to be overweight than those of greater means. And the statistical distribution fits a nice, neat curve – as income falls, the rate of obesity rises. http://naturalhealthdossier.com/2011/04/the-economics-of-obesity-why-are-poor-people-fat/


Why are you making this such a huge issue? Are you really trying to argue that people who live in poverty are not more vulnerable to becoming obese? Or that the majority of the people who are poor in this country are well educated?
Edited by bm99 On June 16, 2012 8:55 PM
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June 16, 2012 8:56 PM
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Did anyone see those ads they were running on TV for a while about how high fructose corn syrup is good for you?

can someone (lawyer, cpa, or otherwise) please explain to me how the hell they got away with that?


If you haven't seen one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl9vZYj-aJ4


What do you perceive as inaccurate about that commercial? It didn't tout HCFS as "health food". The exact words were:

"Like sugar, it's fine in moderation".
June 16, 2012 8:57 PM


I'm not a fan of food stamps. They taste horrible.


HAHAHAHA!
  12283683
June 16, 2012 8:58 PM
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First - anyone that passes judgement on any profession based on a few bad apples, be it mechanics, lawyers, doctors, contractors, etc is an idiot


I can pass judgement on any profession I wish. It's a Constitutional right. I learned that in law school. (Yeah... hang on, it's about to get worse.)

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Second - how can you be pro business while taking the stance that it is every company's responsibility to raise children for their parents and instruct them what is best?


I can be pro business because I own two of them.

And, if you could highlight the part where I claim it's the food company's responsibility to raise other people's children, that would be super-duper.

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You can bash on cereals, but you can use that same argument against any product.


Yeah. That was the crux of my entire post. But thanks for repeating it as though it was your original idea.

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Vitamin companies claim healthy attributes, yet a lot of them have absorption levels so low that they are effectively useless. Should they advertise "useless" on their product?


They do... "This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."

This statement of "effective uselessness" is a federal mandate pursuant the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA) (21 U.S.C. 321, Section 201)

(Believe it or not, it's still about to get even worse for you.)

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Many products exist that are useless or crap, should every company be forced to put that on their product?


Nope. Odds are, most people wouldn't effectively read it. If only we had a real-life example of someone not reading and/or not comprehending a written statement, and looking foolish. Hmm.

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If so, then your problem is humanity - not the companies selling products, not the media, and not the lawyers. Also, the media is only the way it is because people respond favorably to it. If everyone hated it, it would change. Again, the problem is humanity and not the media.


I didn't. I blame idiots, across the board.

I can honestly say, I have truly enjoyed this epic e-ass-beating.

This was fun.

We should do it again sometime.

What does your calendar look like for next week?
June 16, 2012 8:58 PM
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I'm not a fan of food stamps. They taste horrible.


HAHAHAHA!


Well, it's obvious I don't know how to do the "quote" correctly. HAHAHAHAHA!
  12283683
June 16, 2012 9:00 PM
You know what infuriates me more than Bad business practices? When people stop thinking for themselves and start looking every other place to put the blame.

Really? You really thought that a food packet that had over 9000 chemicals was bad for you? Really?
Really? You didn't knew that eating 6000 calories from McD's drive through would make you fat? Really?
Really? You wanna suit tobacco companies even though on the 5 packs that you smoke daily it clearly tells you of health complications? Really?
  17121359
June 16, 2012 9:03 PM
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ps. I don't think that this has anything to do with food stamps. I also don't think that just because someone has food stamps, they're automatically "uneducated." That's a little harsh (and a gross generalization), IMO.


I agree with this. My family was on food stamps for a while, and guess what? My mom was a nurse. She went through 4 years of college to get her degree, and the only reason she chose to stop being a nurse was because my brother was born with Wolff Parkinson White Syndrome and she wanted to stay home to take care of him. After he got older, she was planning to go back to work at the hospital she worked at, but she had to attend classes to be re-certified, which she didn't have the money for. Bad things happen to good people. Not everybody on welfare is a leach on society.
  11113016
June 16, 2012 9:05 PM
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You know what infuriates me more than Bad business practices? When people stop thinking for themselves and start looking every other place to put the blame.

Really? You really thought that a food packet that had over 9000 chemicals was bad for you? Really?
Really? You didn't knew that eating 6000 calories from McD's drive through would make you fat? Really?
Really? You wanna suit tobacco companies even though on the 5 packs that you smoke daily it clearly tells you of health complications? Really?


I agree with you, but it's hard to sort through the mountains of crap information to find the truth about what we should be eating. There are billions being spent to misinform and mislead us.

Schools don't teach nutrition education, parents don't teach it (how many generations has HFCS been around? Aspertame? They don't know about that crap), the government seems to change their mind depending on who's paying the bills and you certainly can't trust the food companies to tell the truth. You can find a Google article that will tell you anything you want to know, and another to refute that with a couple clicks.

It's not all willful ignorance, some people don't have access to the information or simply don't know where to begin to find anything useful.
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June 16, 2012 9:07 PM
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ps. I don't think that this has anything to do with food stamps. I also don't think that just because someone has food stamps, they're automatically "uneducated." That's a little harsh (and a gross generalization), IMO.


I agree with this. My family was on food stamps for a while, and guess what? My mom was a nurse. She went through 4 years of college to get her degree, and the only reason she chose to stop being a nurse was because my brother was born with Wolff Parkinson White Syndrome and she wanted to stay home to take care of him. After he got older, she was planning to go back to work at the hospital she worked at, but she had to attend classes to be re-certified, which she didn't have the money for. Bad things happen to good people. Not everybody on welfare is a leach on society.


Crazy defensive? Over what? NO ONE IS INSULTING POOR PEOPLE.

Good God. I have been on assistance myself for a few months.

Are you saying that people who aren't educated but are on welfare ARE leaches on society?
Edited by bm99 On June 16, 2012 9:08 PM
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June 16, 2012 9:08 PM
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It doesn't matter if Disney stops advertising. Kids see that crap in the store and beg mommy to buy it or mommy sees the bright colors and health claims and thinks its kid food.

The only, ONLY thing that will ever help is for parents to educate themselves on what their kids should be eating.

On second though, I bet if you couldn't buy that crap with food stamps sales would plummet.


I'm not a fan of food stamps. They taste horrible.


It may sound insensitive but... these companies have a huge base of uneducated parents subsidized by the government. If all of a sudden the government teat was taken away and FS money could only be spent on food that meets certain nutritional standards, the food companies would follow.


That is why WIC is a great program. Milk, cheese, juice (although juice itself is pretty sugary), carrots, beans or rice. Its been years since I was on it though. I've heard now that they actually allow whole grain bread, other vegetables and real fruit instead of just juice as options.
  5088963
June 16, 2012 9:09 PM
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You know what infuriates me more than Bad business practices? When people stop thinking for themselves and start looking every other place to put the blame.

Really? You really thought that a food packet that had over 9000 chemicals was bad for you? Really?
Really? You didn't knew that eating 6000 calories from McD's drive through would make you fat? Really?
Really? You wanna suit tobacco companies even though on the 5 packs that you smoke daily it clearly tells you of health complications? Really?


^^THIS. If everyone took the time to read a label and understand what they put in their mouths, the grocery store wouldn't have over 40,000 products in it. It would probably go back to having only about 200 - fresh fruit, fresh veg and healthily (non genetically messed with) grain and meat products.

Once you decode the ingredients list, you'll never eat another packaged item again. At least that's how it went for me.

ETA: Wow, should have read the whole thread, didn't realize we went off to food stamps. Didn't mean to step in the middle of what looks to turn into an epic discussion.
Edited by melbaby925 On June 16, 2012 9:10 PM
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June 16, 2012 9:09 PM
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It doesn't matter if Disney stops advertising. Kids see that crap in the store and beg mommy to buy it or mommy sees the bright colors and health claims and thinks its kid food.

The only, ONLY thing that will ever help is for parents to educate themselves on what their kids should be eating.

On second though, I bet if you couldn't buy that crap with food stamps sales would plummet.


I'm not a fan of food stamps. They taste horrible.


It may sound insensitive but... these companies have a huge base of uneducated parents subsidized by the government. If all of a sudden the government teat was taken away and FS money could only be spent on food that meets certain nutritional standards, the food companies would follow.


That is why WIC is a great program. Milk, cheese, juice (although juice itself is pretty sugary), carrots, beans or rice. Its been years since I was on it though. I've heard now that they actually allow whole grain bread, other vegetables and real fruit instead of just juice as options.


And they take the time to teach nutrition classes too. I think that's the best part of all... they literally make you take the class.
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June 16, 2012 9:11 PM
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You know what infuriates me more than Bad business practices? When people stop thinking for themselves and start looking every other place to put the blame.

Really? You really thought that a food packet that had over 9000 chemicals was bad for you? Really?
Really? You didn't knew that eating 6000 calories from McD's drive through would make you fat? Really?
Really? You wanna suit tobacco companies even though on the 5 packs that you smoke daily it clearly tells you of health complications? Really?


Yeah, well, I know people (not poor people or uneducated or whatever) that never think to look at nutrition labels and have no earthly idea that eating unlimited quantities of alfredo sauce can contribute to weight gain. Call it delusion or denial if you want, but there are plenty of them out there.
  20988011
June 16, 2012 9:16 PM
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Playing Devil's advocate for a moment...

cocoa krispies has fewer g of sugars per serving than 6 oz. of yogurt or 5.3 oz of Greek yogurt...

That being said, I'm of the mindset that just about anything can be PART of a healthy, balanced diet. All things in moderation...

ps. I don't think that this has anything to do with food stamps. I also don't think that just because someone has food stamps, they're automatically "uneducated." That's a little harsh (and a gross generalization), IMO.


Thank you. For the year that we were on food stamps it wasn't because we are stupid. (Actually I'm 15 credits shy of a physics degree) It was because my hubby went from making almost $3000 per month to 1500/mon (if we were lucky that mon) because his company made him "on call" instead of giving him regular hrs. It saved our butts immensely, I don't know what we would have done in that time without the little bit of help we got. Eventually we moved 2500 miles away from family and the place we grew up for him to work full time with a transfer. Even then we couldn't afford to move out here right away so we were paying rent and buying groceries in 2 places while trying to save up money to move across the country for 9 months.
  5088963
June 16, 2012 9:16 PM
Cook at home as much as possible. The ultimate clean eating. You have no idea wtf is in those pre-packaged things. Same for restaurant foods. You don't know what kinda sanitation those places have.

Now I can understand the need/want for some of the stuff. I drink Ovaltine daily and it probably is loaded with chemicals but thats in such a small amount that I can ignore it. Most of my meals are hand cooked (including bread) and I don't have to spend hours and hours doing this.
  17121359
June 16, 2012 9:20 PM
i'm going to skip through the hurling of insults and someone else may have mentioned this already but what really irks me is the advertising of these cookies

http://whonucookies.com/
June 16, 2012 9:24 PM
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Playing Devil's advocate for a moment...

cocoa krispies has fewer g of sugars per serving than 6 oz. of yogurt or 5.3 oz of Greek yogurt...

That being said, I'm of the mindset that just about anything can be PART of a healthy, balanced diet. All things in moderation...

ps. I don't think that this has anything to do with food stamps. I also don't think that just because someone has food stamps, they're automatically "uneducated." That's a little harsh (and a gross generalization), IMO.


Thank you. For the year that we were on food stamps it wasn't because we are stupid. (Actually I'm 15 credits shy of a physics degree) It was because my hubby went from making almost $3000 per month to 1500/mon (if we were lucky that mon) because his company made him "on call" instead of giving him regular hrs. It saved our butts immensely, I don't know what we would have done in that time without the little bit of help we got. Eventually we moved 2500 miles away from family and the place we grew up for him to work full time with a transfer. Even then we couldn't afford to move out here right away so we were paying rent and buying groceries in 2 places while trying to save up money to move across the country for 9 months.


Yes, it's a good thing she stuck up for poor people against... oh wait, nothing, because NO ONE SAID THAT POOR PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
Edited by bm99 On June 16, 2012 9:25 PM
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June 16, 2012 9:25 PM
Thank you all, very enjoyable thread. smile
June 16, 2012 9:28 PM
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It doesn't matter if Disney stops advertising. Kids see that crap in the store and beg mommy to buy it or mommy sees the bright colors and health claims and thinks its kid food.

The only, ONLY thing that will ever help is for parents to educate themselves on what their kids should be eating.

On second though, I bet if you couldn't buy that crap with food stamps sales would plummet.


I'm not a fan of food stamps. They taste horrible.


It may sound insensitive but... these companies have a huge base of uneducated parents subsidized by the government. If all of a sudden the government teat was taken away and FS money could only be spent on food that meets certain nutritional standards, the food companies would follow.


That is why WIC is a great program. Milk, cheese, juice (although juice itself is pretty sugary), carrots, beans or rice. Its been years since I was on it though. I've heard now that they actually allow whole grain bread, other vegetables and real fruit instead of just juice as options.


And they take the time to teach nutrition classes too. I think that's the best part of all... they literally make you take the class.


Actually I wasn't required to take a class. They gave me some pamphlets with the healthy food pyramid guidelines and sent me on my way. I never did get formula with WIC though, I breastfed so they gave me the after formula stuff from the beginning.

I knew about nutrition anyways though took a few classes in HS and college.
  5088963
June 16, 2012 9:30 PM
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Yes, it's a good thing she stuck up for poor people against... oh wait, nothing, because NO ONE SAID THAT POOR PEOPLE ARE STUPID.


Why do you hate poor people? Is it because you think they're stupid?
June 16, 2012 9:30 PM
Just want to add on the food stamp discussion...when I got food stamps for a few months when on maternity leave they gave me way more than I ever would have spent on groceries otherwise. I was much more willing to spend 6 bucks on ice cream money on frozen meals, etc. when it was not really coming out of pocket. I do not think poor people are un educated I do think there should be some sort of nutrtion requirement for which foods you can buy with food stamps. Everyone knows obesity is a issue in our country this would be an easy way for the government to help families make better choices. just my take.....ps sorry for any bad grammar or spelling I am on my phone
June 16, 2012 9:31 PM
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Actually I wasn't required to take a class. They gave me some pamphlets with the healthy food pyramid guidelines and sent me on my way. I never did get formula with WIC though, I breastfed so they gave me the after formula stuff from the beginning.

I knew about nutrition anyways though took a few classes in HS and college.


You're lucky! I was mad at first, but then I realized it was probably a good thing overall and a half hour of information wouldn't kill me. It was pretty good, considering.

Maybe it's a state by state thing? I got WIC in TX. There is actually a poster on the wall saying that french fries don't count as a vegetable to WIC, so the classes are good lol
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June 16, 2012 9:32 PM
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i'm going to skip through the hurling of insults and someone else may have mentioned this already but what really irks me is the advertising of these cookies

http://whonucookies.com/


The front of that package looks like a gift...and then you read the back and get completely and utterly horrified. It's appalling at what the industry gets away with.

I think everyone who creates this crap should have to eat it exclusively for a year and then let us all know that it's safe and healthy.
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June 16, 2012 9:33 PM
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Yes, it's a good thing she stuck up for poor people against... oh wait, nothing, because NO ONE SAID THAT POOR PEOPLE ARE STUPID.


Why do you hate poor people? Is it because you think they're stupid?


Do you ever wish there were an emoticon for "headdesk"?
  17422854
June 16, 2012 9:34 PM
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Yes, it's a good thing she stuck up for poor people against... oh wait, nothing, because NO ONE SAID THAT POOR PEOPLE ARE STUPID.


Why do you hate poor people? Is it because you think they're stupid?


Do you ever wish there were an emoticon for "headdesk"?


:lol:

I think your sarcasm meter is broken. You must be poor.

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