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June 17, 2012 5:59 AM
following the never ending debate of eat or don't eat.

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  19286571
June 17, 2012 6:02 AM
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I LOVE MyFitness Pal, and I get all my clients to use it (including myself), however, here are my issues;

1) Most people are trying to lose weight when they use this, therefore they should NOT be eating calories to make up for those burned when they exercised. IN other words, calories should stay the same each day!

2) The fiber goal is way too low, it should be closer to 25 grams for each person.

3) The sugar goal is way too low. If you're talking about "added sugars" that's fine, but there is sugar in milk, fruit, and vegetables, so to have a goal is "20 grams/day" for sugar, is unrealistic (and unhealthy, we need our fruits/veggies/dairy...unless it's dairy alternative!).

Thanks, but no thanks. It works just fine eating back my calories. Why would you encourage people to be hungry when it isn't necessary? Shame on you.
  9979217
June 17, 2012 6:03 AM
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June 17, 2012 6:07 AM
Has anyone else noticed the OP hasn't responded to any of your posts??? I think someone was just trying to start a debate that has been hashed into the ground on this site. Also the OP has no info on their profile and this was their first post. Come on people, do what works for you and don't worry about what everyone else does.
  7770622
June 17, 2012 6:08 AM
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June 17, 2012 6:10 AM
QUOTE:

I LOVE MyFitness Pal, and I get all my clients to use it (including myself), however, here are my issues;

1) Most people are trying to lose weight when they use this, therefore they should NOT be eating calories to make up for those burned when they exercised. IN other words, calories should stay the same each day!

2) The fiber goal is way too low, it should be closer to 25 grams for each person.

3) The sugar goal is way too low. If you're talking about "added sugars" that's fine, but there is sugar in milk, fruit, and vegetables, so to have a goal is "20 grams/day" for sugar, is unrealistic (and unhealthy, we need our fruits/veggies/dairy...unless it's dairy alternative!).


I use the calories burned buring exercise as padding. I try to stay within my allowed callories for the day, but if I go over a little, It's ok. Of if I'm having a GIVE ME SOMETHING FATTENING OR I'LL HURT YOU moment. I don't feel bad.
  5097709
June 17, 2012 6:19 AM
I think that this advice should be more tailored to individuals, their current weight and diet, and their goals. I am not overweight, but would like to lose a few pounds and avoid the 'middle age spread.' For a sedentary person, I am only allowed to eat 1420 calories a day. This is simply too little for any human being. Food is just more calories than that. Yes, if I focused solely on calories, ate no carbs, etc., then I might meet this goal. But then I would have no energy, protein, etc. I therefore most definitely eat my exercise calories back. It is much more realistic to try to exercise an hour a day or whatever it is and eat, say, 1800 calories, than starve myself *and* exercise. For someone who is looking for more drastic weight loss or needs a more significant lifestyle overhaul, then perhaps it is better not to eat exercise calories back - you don't really need 3000 calories a day, for example - but I think it really depends on the person. I do agree with the sugar and fiber assessment. The real problem is that MFP is simply not finely enough calculated to show good vs. bad cholesterol, sugar, fat, etc.
June 17, 2012 6:24 AM
Wisdom of the Day: Do not advise on that which you do not understand.
June 17, 2012 6:24 AM
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Has anyone else noticed the OP hasn't responded to any of your posts??? I think someone was just trying to start a debate that has been hashed into the ground on this site. Also the OP has no info on their profile and this was their first post. Come on people, do what works for you and don't worry about what everyone else does.


We're having a good ol' time without them. Meh.
  23804343
June 17, 2012 6:39 AM
So now everyone is saying when you exercise eat those calories burned because mfp has already accounted for a defeciet. What happens if you havent done any exercise though, and all you did was a few hours housework for example, as really you have still buned calouries.
June 17, 2012 6:47 AM
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  7050949
June 17, 2012 6:49 AM
Love that quote wisdom of the day
Edited by mybaxter1 On June 17, 2012 6:50 AM
June 17, 2012 6:52 AM
Right ive just worked out a normal day for me when im at home and it says i burn 1940 per day doing those things, thats witout any exercise. Now im mostly eating 1400 ish per day. am I doing it wrong,

here is the site of anyone else wants to try it.http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=calories%20burned%20doing%20housework&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthstatus.com%2Fcalculate%2Fcbc&ei=SN_dT9SWMKO_0QW5sLj5Cg&usg=AFQjCNElVRQyGDHjFsIf-HDH7AXfygpEcQ
June 17, 2012 6:55 AM
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Most people are trying to lose weight when they use this, therefore they should NOT be eating calories to make up for those burned when they exercised. IN other words, calories should stay the same each day!


For what ever weekly loss a user has chosen, MFP already takes that into account when it spits out their daily calorie goal - so when a user enters they have burned however many calories, those are added back into their daily allotment as to not change their daily deficit. So... yes, users should eat back their burned calories to use MFP as intended.




This. MFP is designed to give u a deficit so you don't have to exercise, hence eating exercise calories back I you do!
June 17, 2012 7:14 AM
This is what ive been thinking all along, so in theory you could actually use all your cals per day just being who you are. I looked up mine and ii need 1940 just to do my normal stuff, sit on my but and look after my home lol. So its about flaming time the scales started jumping down alot then since Im eating way less than that each day. around 1400
June 17, 2012 7:22 AM
how can your reverse type 2, you cant my doctor told us that, once you have got it, thats it there is no going back. You can however reverse pre diabeities.
June 17, 2012 8:58 AM
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So now everyone is saying when you exercise eat those calories burned because mfp has already accounted for a defeciet. What happens if you havent done any exercise though, and all you did was a few hours housework for example, as really you have still buned calouries.


If you've done housework that has burned calories, then log it. You'll find it in the exercise database under "Cleaning, light, moderate effort" or "cleaning, heavy, vigorous effort" You're right - you've earned more calories if you're in the camp that checked in as "sedentary" and has a basic calorie allowance that you add to when you've burned more. = "Eating back calories"
  18196540
June 17, 2012 9:12 AM
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Right ive just worked out a normal day for me when im at home and it says i burn 1940 per day doing those things, thats witout any exercise. Now im mostly eating 1400 ish per day. am I doing it wrong,

here is the site of anyone else wants to try it.http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=calories%20burned%20doing%20housework&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthstatus.com%2Fcalculate%2Fcbc&ei=SN_dT9SWMKO_0QW5sLj5Cg&usg=AFQjCNElVRQyGDHjFsIf-HDH7AXfygpEcQ


IMHO there's no such thing as "wrong". There are lots of ways of losing weight that all work - you pick one you can stick with and use it. If it works, keep going, if it doesn't or stops working, then tweak it til it works again. Repeat til you're where you want to be.

I signed up as "sedentary" and log every bit of exercise I do, walking to the shops, cleaning (don't do that often!), gardening, whatever. Then I aim to eat back some of those extra calories I've earned in addition to my basic 1200 (which I find isn't really enough unless I'm lying around sick in bed). Most days I reckon on eating back about half the extra calories earned through exercise. If I don't feel I need them I don't eat them, if I'm hungry I eat more of them, but try not to go over. If I do, occasionally, it's not a big deal.

Looking at your figures it looks just about right. Your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) is what it says. You calculated it as 1940 calories per day. To lose weight you need to eat less than that, but enough to function & MFP usually sets you up to eat about 500 calories per day less than your estimated TDEE. This means that over a week you eat 500 x 7 fewer calories than you need = 3500. And that's the calorie content of one pound of fat.

For you, 1940 - 500 = 1440 so you're bang on target to lose one pound a week, in theory. In practice you'll probably find that some weeks you lose more, some weeks less, some weeks nothing at all then a big loss over a couple of days. All perfectly normal. Good luck with your weight loss and healthy living plan.
  18196540
June 17, 2012 9:14 AM
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June 17, 2012 4:31 PM
QUOTE:

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Has anyone else noticed the OP hasn't responded to any of your posts??? I think someone was just trying to start a debate that has been hashed into the ground on this site. Also the OP has no info on their profile and this was their first post. Come on people, do what works for you and don't worry about what everyone else does.


We're having a good ol' time without them. Meh.

Originally she had her diary open. She was eating 2000 or so cals per day. She has a different system, so perhaps doesn't understand this one? IDK. But, I have used MFP like the bible, yanno, with some venial sins..LOL...But follow it a good 80% of the time since Feb and lost almost all of my weight.
  17347778
June 22, 2012 10:56 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

I LOVE MyFitness Pal, and I get all my clients to use it (including myself), however, here are my issues;

1) Most people are trying to lose weight when they use this, therefore they should NOT be eating calories to make up for those burned when they exercised. IN other words, calories should stay the same each day!

2) The fiber goal is way too low, it should be closer to 25 grams for each person.

3) The sugar goal is way too low. If you're talking about "added sugars" that's fine, but there is sugar in milk, fruit, and vegetables, so to have a goal is "20 grams/day" for sugar, is unrealistic (and unhealthy, we need our fruits/veggies/dairy...unless it's dairy alternative!).


I think you need to go back to school. Telling people not to eat back their workout calories is going to leave a lot of people netting at like 600 calories. How you could possibly think that is ok is beyond me.


This. And I am currently going to college to become an R.D. Have NEVER been taught to not eat back exercise calories, ESPECIALLY if under your net recommend amount for the day
  4450781
June 22, 2012 11:30 PM
MFP . . . needs a like button.
June 22, 2012 11:32 PM
I agree with the OP.

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Edited by Anayalata On June 22, 2012 11:33 PM
June 22, 2012 11:43 PM
QUOTE:

Has anyone else noticed the OP hasn't responded to any of your posts??? I think someone was just trying to start a debate that has been hashed into the ground on this site. Also the OP has no info on their profile and this was their first post. Come on people, do what works for you and don't worry about what everyone else does.


Too right. The reason why the eat back or don't eat back argument rumbles on is that no two people are the same and you find what is a good fit for yourself. I've done the not eating back calories and felt hungry and exhausted (particularly in terms of aching muscles the day after a big workout). I've gone the eating every calorie back and found my weight loss slowed down. Now I eat them back if I'm hungry (usually protein-based and around 50%-80% of my exercise calories) and it's working brilliantly for me with a 1lb a week weight loss.

But I do take exception with someone (a troll?) stating there is only one way for everyone. And, really, who wants to survive on 500 net calories a day and be hungry and miserable? I'd rather live a happy, normal life and lose a pound a week than feel like I'm starving and jittery and losing two pounds a week.
June 22, 2012 11:48 PM
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Right ive just worked out a normal day for me when im at home and it says i burn 1940 per day doing those things, thats witout any exercise. Now im mostly eating 1400 ish per day. am I doing it wrong,

here is the site of anyone else wants to try it.http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=calories%20burned%20doing%20housework&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthstatus.com%2Fcalculate%2Fcbc&ei=SN_dT9SWMKO_0QW5sLj5Cg&usg=AFQjCNElVRQyGDHjFsIf-HDH7AXfygpEcQ


Almost identical to me! I burn around 1940 calories with day-to-day sedentary lifestyle and have dropped my calorie intake to between 1400 to 1500 calories a day. The weight is coming off nicely. I exercise four to five times a week, log the calories burned (using an HRM as MFP is notoriously wrong) and eat back as many of those calories as I want until I am no longer hungry.

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