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May 20, 2012 15:25
I would seriously question why you are on 1600 calories or 2k and expecting to lose weight. Did I read that right?
  16196609
May 20, 2012 15:29
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How come you're eating 1600 calories? That seems pretty high. My calorie consumption is 1300 or so.

Also, you don't need to be eating back your exercise calories. I actually recommend not to. Although, I know many people disagree with that. Yet many also agree with me. I personally don't lose weight when I eat back those burned calories. I believe eating back exercise calories is for those looking to maintain their weight. Not lose it.


That is not necessarily high at all. I am a lot older and I eat 1900 cals with no cardio, only strength training and am losing. It totally depends on activity, height, weight and age. Just because you are are eating 1300 (or I am eating 1900 for that matter) does niot mean she should. People that eat back their exercise calories are not necessarily looking to maintain (well they are looking to maintain muscle mass) but are doing it to fuel their exercise and not to end up with an unhealthy deficit.
Edited by Sarauk2sf On May 20, 2012 15:30
  18358448
May 20, 2012 15:30
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I would seriously question why you are on 1600 calories or 2k and expecting to lose weight. Did I read that right?


Dude. It boggles my mind, too.
May 20, 2012 15:44
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I would seriously question why you are on 1600 calories or 2k and expecting to lose weight. Did I read that right?


Because that is presumably below her TDEE.
  18358448
May 20, 2012 15:46
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Your diary doesn't look bad. Try to get more protein (2.5-3g/kg lean body mass, or 1g/lb. body weight, whichever is easier for you). It will make a huge difference. If you aren't losing with 1600, then that may be too much. The MFP calculations are not really that accurate (manually did one for a friend who was >40% body fat, MFP said to eat ~2k calories, BMR came out to around 1300, TDEE around 1800, so eating 200 calories over daily expenditures+eating back exercise = no kidding you aren't losing weight).

The idea that eating more = losing more is ludicrous, and completely unsupported scientifically. That just helps get rid of water retention, which obscures weight loss for people who are very impatient.

Here are the main things that prevent weight loss:
1) Miscalculated TDEE
2) Including exercise in TDEE _and_ eating back exercise calories (this results in you eating 2x exercise calories)
3) Underestimating calorie intake
4) Overestimating calorie burn

Things that are not quite as critical, but extremely important:
1) Inadequate protein intake
2) Eating low-quality food (thermic effect of food from whole food can account for an additional 10% caloric deficit on daily intake)
3) Excessive cardio for women who are sensitive to thyroid issues (basically, when in doubt, get your thyroid function checked if you are female)
4) Not weight training (seriously... 3 hours a week will give better results than 10 hours a week of cardio)

It is not as complicated as everyone makes it. Calories in - calories out = 90% of weight loss. Starvation mode is a myth with no scientific backing. When in doubt, consult with a nutritionist as to what your caloric and nutritional intake should look like.


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  17791017
May 20, 2012 15:46
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

How come you're eating 1600 calories? That seems pretty high. My calorie consumption is 1300 or so.

Also, you don't need to be eating back your exercise calories. I actually recommend not to. Although, I know many people disagree with that. Yet many also agree with me. I personally don't lose weight when I eat back those burned calories. I believe eating back exercise calories is for those looking to maintain their weight. Not lose it.


That is not necessarily high at all. I am a lot older and I eat 1900 cals with no cardio, only strength training and am losing. It totally depends on activity, height, weight and age. Just because you are are eating 1300 (or I am eating 1900 for that matter) does niot mean she should. People that eat back their exercise calories are not necessarily looking to maintain (well they are looking to maintain muscle mass) but are doing it to fuel their exercise and not to end up with an unhealthy deficit.

Strength burns a LOT more than cardio. Most calculations only account for immediate energy expenditure. Recovery and muscle synthesis add several times that over the next several days.
May 20, 2012 15:55
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How come you're eating 1600 calories? That seems pretty high. My calorie consumption is 1300 or so.

Also, you don't need to be eating back your exercise calories. I actually recommend not to. Although, I know many people disagree with that. Yet many also agree with me. I personally don't lose weight when I eat back those burned calories. I believe eating back exercise calories is for those looking to maintain their weight. Not lose it.


That is not necessarily high at all. I am a lot older and I eat 1900 cals with no cardio, only strength training and am losing. It totally depends on activity, height, weight and age. Just because you are are eating 1300 (or I am eating 1900 for that matter) does niot mean she should. People that eat back their exercise calories are not necessarily looking to maintain (well they are looking to maintain muscle mass) but are doing it to fuel their exercise and not to end up with an unhealthy deficit.

Strength burns a LOT more than cardio. Most calculations only account for immediate energy expenditure. Recovery and muscle synthesis add several times that over the next several days.


This is true.
I have a Body Media Fit that shows my calorie burn. It doesn't show much burn for strength training the day of, but boy does it show up later.
I started strength training about 2 months ago and it doesn't show up right away, but about a month after I started doing it my calorie burn increased by about 300 -500 calories A DAY just from normal activities.
  17705457
May 20, 2012 15:55
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How come you're eating 1600 calories? That seems pretty high. My calorie consumption is 1300 or so.

Also, you don't need to be eating back your exercise calories. I actually recommend not to. Although, I know many people disagree with that. Yet many also agree with me. I personally don't lose weight when I eat back those burned calories. I believe eating back exercise calories is for those looking to maintain their weight. Not lose it.


That is not necessarily high at all. I am a lot older and I eat 1900 cals with no cardio, only strength training and am losing. It totally depends on activity, height, weight and age. Just because you are are eating 1300 (or I am eating 1900 for that matter) does niot mean she should. People that eat back their exercise calories are not necessarily looking to maintain (well they are looking to maintain muscle mass) but are doing it to fuel their exercise and not to end up with an unhealthy deficit.

Strength burns a LOT more than cardio. Most calculations only account for immediate energy expenditure. Recovery and muscle synthesis add several times that over the next several days.


Agreed to a point - depends on how much you do. But I totally agree with your prior comment about adding strength training.

My point was that you cannot say I eat XXX therefore you should
  18358448
May 20, 2012 15:58
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Your diary doesn't look bad. Try to get more protein (2.5-3g/kg lean body mass, or 1g/lb. body weight, whichever is easier for you). It will make a huge difference. If you aren't losing with 1600, then that may be too much. The MFP calculations are not really that accurate (manually did one for a friend who was >40% body fat, MFP said to eat ~2k calories, BMR came out to around 1300, TDEE around 1800, so eating 200 calories over daily expenditures+eating back exercise = no kidding you aren't losing weight).

The idea that eating more = losing more is ludicrous, and completely unsupported scientifically. That just helps get rid of water retention, which obscures weight loss for people who are very impatient.

Here are the main things that prevent weight loss:
1) Miscalculated TDEE
2) Including exercise in TDEE _and_ eating back exercise calories (this results in you eating 2x exercise calories)
3) Underestimating calorie intake
4) Overestimating calorie burn

Things that are not quite as critical, but extremely important:
1) Inadequate protein intake
2) Eating low-quality food (thermic effect of food from whole food can account for an additional 10% caloric deficit on daily intake)
3) Excessive cardio for women who are sensitive to thyroid issues (basically, when in doubt, get your thyroid function checked if you are female)
4) Not weight training (seriously... 3 hours a week will give better results than 10 hours a week of cardio)

It is not as complicated as everyone makes it. Calories in - calories out = 90% of weight loss. Starvation mode is a myth with no scientific backing. When in doubt, consult with a nutritionist as to what your caloric and nutritional intake should look like.


^^this

(except the comment about starvation mode, but that's mostly about semantics in this case)
Edited by Sarauk2sf On May 20, 2012 15:59
  18358448
May 20, 2012 16:03
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I have no idea what to tell you here. I have been following the program here, eating the calories I am supposed to eat according to MFP, getting some exercise, and it has been working for me.

Under eating can prevent weight loss.

How about your measurements? It's possible you are replacing fat with muscle so you aren't seeing a change on the scale.


Everyone says that if you eat too little you won't lose any weight. Years ago I had a nervous breakdown and was not able to eat much for a whole week. I lost over 14lbs. Now, I'm NOT recommending it at all, but if you don't eat, your body uses the stored fat. Fact.
  17967379
May 20, 2012 16:05
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I have no idea what to tell you here. I have been following the program here, eating the calories I am supposed to eat according to MFP, getting some exercise, and it has been working for me.

Under eating can prevent weight loss.

How about your measurements? It's possible you are replacing fat with muscle so you aren't seeing a change on the scale.




Everyone says that if you eat too little you won't lose any weight. Years ago I had a nervous breakdown and was not able to eat much for a whole week. I lost over 14lbs. Now, I'm NOT recommending it at all, but if you don't eat, your body uses the stored fat. Fact.


Correction. It burns stored fat, and MUSCLE.
Edited by Athena98501 On May 20, 2012 16:05
May 20, 2012 16:07
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I have no idea what to tell you here. I have been following the program here, eating the calories I am supposed to eat according to MFP, getting some exercise, and it has been working for me.

Under eating can prevent weight loss.

How about your measurements? It's possible you are replacing fat with muscle so you aren't seeing a change on the scale.


Everyone says that if you eat too little you won't lose any weight. Years ago I had a nervous breakdown and was not able to eat much for a whole week. I lost over 14lbs. Now, I'm NOT recommending it at all, but if you don't eat, your body uses the stored fat. Fact.


14lb = 7000 calorie defecit a day.
  18358448
May 20, 2012 16:13
I can understand why you'd be frustrated. Think two things--Nutrition and Fitness. Not diet and exercise. I took a quick look at your diary and you're eating good foods but some days you're not eating enough. Some people don't eat after 7pm. I haven't tried that yet. Glad to hear your BP is good and no deficiencies. Did your Dr. check your thyroid levels? Also, maybe a nutritionist could help. Learn as much as you can about nutrition. Best wishes!! Add me if you'd like!! I've had some pretty frustration days, too!!
  21795895
May 20, 2012 16:16
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I can understand why you'd be frustrated. Think two things--Nutrition and Fitness. Not diet and exercise. I took a quick look at your diary and you're eating good foods but some days you're not eating enough. Some people don't eat after 7pm. I haven't tried that yet. Glad to hear your BP is good and no deficiencies. Did your Dr. check your thyroid levels? Also, maybe a nutritionist could help. Learn as much as you can about nutrition. Best wishes!! Add me if you'd like!! I've had some pretty frustration days, too!!


Yes, she checked my thyroid, and it was ok.
May 20, 2012 16:17
The issue is perception.

You mentioned eating "junk food" and "bread" and "high fats".

Let me ask you this, "What is unhealthy?" In terms of diet/food? High in fat? No, high in carbs? No.

The entire starvation mode bs, let me give you an example. "What would happen if you where stranded for weeks with out food? How will your body do it's best to survive?" Slow down metabolic rate, strip some muscle mass(to lower calorie burn) so you can survive with less energy(calories). You still will burn some fat... you have to.

Increase your calories 10% per month. People think, "i am not eating enough I have to increase my diet by 500 calories or 1000 tomorrow." No... extremely stressful on the digestive system. Be patient.

About a month ago, I was weighing in at 295 or so. I shot my calories from 2,500 to 3,000. A week later I was up to 302lbs. I am doing an intensive program right now and I am taking weekly pictures. I was just about to bail on the 3,000 calories and go to 2,750. I reviewed my pics and saw positive changes on a weekly basis. I showed my friends, they also saw positive changes. I weigh more but I am getting smaller. So don't worry about the scale. I am even thinking about going up to 3,200 calories.

In terms of weight loss,
1. Meet your calorie goals
2. Meet your protein goals
3. Meet your fat goals
4. Meet your carb goals.

You have a tough time eating "clean"? Add a hand full of nuts, 2 avocados, and 4tbs of olive oil in to a blender with a few veggies for taste... you won't have any problems :-)
Edited by Pu_239 On May 20, 2012 16:19
  11390926
May 20, 2012 16:24
1600 hundred calories is good for u. let me tell u hang in there the 6weeks of starting this clean eating and exercising i DID NOT LOSE A POUND but now the weight is just coming off not every time u start a diet u lose the weight right away ur body built muscle this happen to a lot of us boost ur exercise it will come off
May 20, 2012 17:09
I'm gonna try the fat2fit method. Eat 1850 and not eat back exercise calories unless I have a huge workout. Concentrate on more protein, worry less about fat. Not be so frustrated if I don't make all my calories everyday, but also try to make it up the rest of the week--not freak out if I go over some days. I'll be back in another month complaining if I still can't figure it out.
May 20, 2012 17:13
Sounds like a great plan - well except th last sentence wink
  18358448
May 20, 2012 17:19
In order to get in 1500-1700 calories a day I start my day with a protein shake that has approx. 400 calories.. Protein powder, banana, almond milk, nutella or peanut butter, old fashioned oats, coffee. Yum! Greek yogurt for morning snack. Close to 600 calories counted for before lunch.....
  14388354
May 20, 2012 17:28
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I'm gonna try the fat2fit method. Eat 1850 and not eat back exercise calories unless I have a huge workout. Concentrate on more protein, worry less about fat. Not be so frustrated if I don't make all my calories everyday, but also try to make it up the rest of the week--not freak out if I go over some days. I'll be back in another month complaining if I still can't figure it out.


now it's my turn to GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

"EAT 15% UNDER TDEE" AND PATIENCE. THAT'S YOUR MAGIC FORMULA.
  11390926
May 20, 2012 17:33
QUOTE:

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I'm gonna try the fat2fit method. Eat 1850 and not eat back exercise calories unless I have a huge workout. Concentrate on more protein, worry less about fat. Not be so frustrated if I don't make all my calories everyday, but also try to make it up the rest of the week--not freak out if I go over some days. I'll be back in another month complaining if I still can't figure it out.


now it's my turn to GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

"EAT 15% UNDER TDEE" AND PATIENCE. THAT'S YOUR MAGIC FORMULA.


It's just gonna take me some time to figure out how to eat that many calories.
May 20, 2012 17:42
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I'm gonna try the fat2fit method. Eat 1850 and not eat back exercise calories unless I have a huge workout. Concentrate on more protein, worry less about fat. Not be so frustrated if I don't make all my calories everyday, but also try to make it up the rest of the week--not freak out if I go over some days. I'll be back in another month complaining if I still can't figure it out.


now it's my turn to GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

"EAT 15% UNDER TDEE" AND PATIENCE. THAT'S YOUR MAGIC FORMULA.


It's just gonna take me some time to figure out how to eat that many calories.


have a calorie problem? Fat is your answer.
  11390926
May 21, 2012 01:41
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

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I'm gonna try the fat2fit method. Eat 1850 and not eat back exercise calories unless I have a huge workout. Concentrate on more protein, worry less about fat. Not be so frustrated if I don't make all my calories everyday, but also try to make it up the rest of the week--not freak out if I go over some days. I'll be back in another month complaining if I still can't figure it out.


now it's my turn to GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

"EAT 15% UNDER TDEE" AND PATIENCE. THAT'S YOUR MAGIC FORMULA.


It's just gonna take me some time to figure out how to eat that many calories.


1850 wasn't in the fat2fit chart, I get 2047?? Eat 100g of nuts a day. 800 cals with protein and healthy fat, problem solved :-)
  6110710
May 21, 2012 01:59
potatoes
yum
May 21, 2012 22:31
QUOTE:

I'm gonna try the fat2fit method. Eat 1850 and not eat back exercise calories unless I have a huge workout. Concentrate on more protein, worry less about fat. Not be so frustrated if I don't make all my calories everyday, but also try to make it up the rest of the week--not freak out if I go over some days. I'll be back in another month complaining if I still can't figure it out.


I personally aim to eat in between sedentary (1750) and lightly active (2047-ish) at the moment - I am considered "moderately active" by fat2fit. I also have a hard time sometimes getting in all the calories.

Nuts are a great way to get lots of calories without lots of volume. 2oz of my favorite Blue Diamond Wasabi and Soy Almonds is like 360ish calories.
Edited by dovesgate On May 21, 2012 22:35
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