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August 12, 2012 1:24 AM
Gosh, you know I went to school in Britain about 30 years ago. And guess what? We were taught how to measure in KILOGRAMS! My daughter is taught kilos now too. I'm pretty sure it's been a consistent feature of British schooling for the entire interleading period.

Britain actually went metric a really, really long time ago. It's just incalcitrant people who think it somehow makes them 'British' to refuse to wake up to the reality that stones don't really make a lot of sense.... 10s and units. Really quite a bit more straightforward.... That it is more logical and sensible and easy to follow was the reason for the change.

Come on, it's really not that hard to get your head round either pounds or kilos. Stone is archaic, and highly specific *just* to Britain. If you desperately need it, it will take you about 2 minutes to set up a spreadsheet to do the conversion for you after you weigh in. (Assuming you know how many pounds there are in a stone.... )
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August 12, 2012 1:29 AM
I think we're agreeing partly.

With cooking you'll notice the mistake if it tastes horrible. Even if it's too much sugar in a cake it's unlikely to affect the weight loss of someone who's trying to eat healthily.

On here however, you'll just keep clicking your recent/most used foods and wonder why you're not losing weight. Looking at the accuracy of people's measurements to nutritional values is one of the first things I look at when people are having difficulty losing.
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August 12, 2012 1:33 AM
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Gosh, you know I went to school in Britain about 30 years ago. And guess what? We were taught how to measure in KILOGRAMS! My daughter is taught kilos now too. I'm pretty sure it's been a consistent feature of British schooling for the entire interleading period.

Britain actually went metric a really, really long time ago. It's just incalcitrant people who think it somehow makes them 'British' to refuse to wake up to the reality that stones don't really make a lot of sense.... 10s and units. Really quite a bit more straightforward.... That it is more logical and sensible and easy to follow was the reason for the change.

Come on, it's really not that hard to get your head round either pounds or kilos. Stone is archaic, and highly specific *just* to Britain. If you desperately need it, it will take you about 2 minutes to set up a spreadsheet to do the conversion for you after you weigh in. (Assuming you know how many pounds there are in a stone.... )


...and specific to body weight. Stones means absolutely nothing to me in any other material or object.

Anyone that doesn't know what kilos are clearly needs to go to the gym more often.
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August 12, 2012 1:37 AM
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I think we're agreeing partly.

With cooking you'll notice the mistake if it tastes horrible. Even if it's too much sugar in a cake it's unlikely to affect the weight loss of someone who's trying to eat healthily.

On here however, you'll just keep clicking your recent/most used foods and wonder why you're not losing weight. Looking at the accuracy of people's measurements to nutritional values is one of the first things I look at when people are having difficulty losing.


Ah, ok, if you see it with people's diaries I'm not going to argue against that smile
August 12, 2012 1:38 AM
I agree we should have an option for stones and pounds. Also to get the date the right way round would be good.
August 12, 2012 1:40 AM
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I agree we should have an option for stones and pounds. Also to get the date the right way round would be good.


ooh yes, the date thing annoys me, but I adapt, like i do with a lot of american things, like CUPS, for instance! What's the deal with that?! But an option for us Brits to have things our way on our tickers and walls would be nice! wink
August 12, 2012 1:44 AM
Stones and pounds would be better please.

However, anything is better than Metric. I have no idea what my weight is in kilograms, but it sounds dreadful noway


Getting the date the right way round would be better as well please.
Edited by Nighthawk4 On August 12, 2012 1:45 AM
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August 12, 2012 1:48 AM
It would be nice to be able to choose stones and lb's. Purely because it's what us Brits are used to. Also I don't understand the cup measurement? I did google it but it didn't really make it much clearer. Is there any one that could explain it to me in laymans terms? ;-)
August 12, 2012 1:48 AM
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I agree we should have an option for stones and pounds. Also to get the date the right way round would be good.


ooh yes, the date thing annoys me, but I adapt, like i do with a lot of american things, like CUPS, for instance! What's the deal with that?! But an option for us Brits to have things our way on our tickers and walls would be nice! wink


Sorry, you don't know how to measure in cups? I mean, I don't think cup measures are a fabulous idea (volume being less accurate than weight) but I do know how to *do* it.... And generally, there are plenty of options with grams and ounces on any particular entry in the database. if you're using one that only gives cups, chances are it's an American entry (and if it's something like peanut butter, or cheese, the composition of the foods are quite different, so you're better off searching for one that does have an alternative measurement available.)

Mind you, perhaps it's because I don't identify with phrases like 'us Brits' that is the base issue here. While British by birth, I don't really see it as a homogenous category of person, and it doesn't define my identity. That might be why I'm capable of applying basic maths, or thinking in flexible terms?
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August 12, 2012 1:51 AM
As most other sites you can select how you record your weight, be it stones and pounds, pounds only or kilos......MFP does need to add the option!
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August 12, 2012 1:51 AM
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I agree we should have an option for stones and pounds. Also to get the date the right way round would be good.


ooh yes, the date thing annoys me, but I adapt, like i do with a lot of american things, like CUPS, for instance! What's the deal with that?! But an option for us Brits to have things our way on our tickers and walls would be nice! wink


Sorry, you don't know how to measure in cups? I mean, I don't think cup measures are a fabulous idea (volume being less accurate than weight) but I do know how to *do* it.... And generally, there are plenty of options with grams and ounces on any particular entry in the database. if you're using one that only gives cups, chances are it's an American entry (and if it's something like peanut butter, or cheese, the composition of the foods are quite different, so you're better off searching for one that does have an alternative measurement available.)

Mind you, perhaps it's because I don't identify with phrases like 'us Brits' that is the base issue here. While British by birth, I don't really see it as a homogenous category of person, and it doesn't define my identity. That might be why I'm capable of applying basic maths, or thinking in flexible terms?


Did you actually read any of my other posts? Or did you prefer to pounce on one because you didn't like my turn of phrase?
August 12, 2012 1:55 AM
I agree it would be nice to have the option of having our weight in stones as well as pounds. I suppose it depends where and when you grew up but as long as I can remember we Brits have measured our weight in stones.

Also, I never have got why Americans but the day and month the wrong way around - day/month/year - simple!
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August 12, 2012 1:57 AM
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I agree it would be nice to have the option of having our weight in stones as well as pounds. I suppose it depends where and when you grew up but as long as I can remember we Brits have measured our weight in stones.

Also, I never have got why Americans but the day and month the wrong way around - day/month/year - simple!


You're younger than me, love. Metric was introduced in British schools in 1974.... Perhaps it's time to catch up, eh?
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August 12, 2012 1:58 AM
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I agree we should have an option for stones and pounds. Also to get the date the right way round would be good.


ooh yes, the date thing annoys me, but I adapt, like i do with a lot of american things, like CUPS, for instance! What's the deal with that?! But an option for us Brits to have things our way on our tickers and walls would be nice! wink


Sorry, you don't know how to measure in cups? I mean, I don't think cup measures are a fabulous idea (volume being less accurate than weight) but I do know how to *do* it.... And generally, there are plenty of options with grams and ounces on any particular entry in the database. if you're using one that only gives cups, chances are it's an American entry (and if it's something like peanut butter, or cheese, the composition of the foods are quite different, so you're better off searching for one that does have an alternative measurement available.)

Mind you, perhaps it's because I don't identify with phrases like 'us Brits' that is the base issue here. While British by birth, I don't really see it as a homogenous category of person, and it doesn't define my identity. That might be why I'm capable of applying basic maths, or thinking in flexible terms?


Did you actually read any of my other posts? Or did you prefer to pounce on one because you didn't like my turn of phrase?


I believe I read them all, and was, indeed, reacting to them. Is there a particular point on which you feel my comprehension has failed? I do believe I understood every single post on the thread.
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August 12, 2012 1:58 AM
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It would be nice to be able to choose stones and lb's. Purely because it's what us Brits are used to. Also I don't understand the cup measurement? I did google it but it didn't really make it much clearer. Is there any one that could explain it to me in laymans terms? ;-)


I don't understand why a cup measurement can seem so complex?
If you have a recipe that requires 1 cup of flour, you get out the cup measure (250ml in Australia) and fill up the cup with flour.... Not really tricky!!
If you can pour a cup of tea you can measure a cup of anything.

And re having the option of stones - sure, having options woukd be good but I've found that i've learnt to understand weight in pounds - even though I record my weight in kg, there are so many Americans on this site who use pounds in their posts, I've had to
learn.

Really though, it would make much more sense for you guys (US and UK) to move into the 20th century and use metric!
Edited by Rubybelle On August 12, 2012 2:03 AM
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August 12, 2012 2:00 AM
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I agree we should have an option for stones and pounds. Also to get the date the right way round would be good.


ooh yes, the date thing annoys me, but I adapt, like i do with a lot of american things, like CUPS, for instance! What's the deal with that?! But an option for us Brits to have things our way on our tickers and walls would be nice! wink


Sorry, you don't know how to measure in cups? I mean, I don't think cup measures are a fabulous idea (volume being less accurate than weight) but I do know how to *do* it.... And generally, there are plenty of options with grams and ounces on any particular entry in the database. if you're using one that only gives cups, chances are it's an American entry (and if it's something like peanut butter, or cheese, the composition of the foods are quite different, so you're better off searching for one that does have an alternative measurement available.)

Mind you, perhaps it's because I don't identify with phrases like 'us Brits' that is the base issue here. While British by birth, I don't really see it as a homogenous category of person, and it doesn't define my identity. That might be why I'm capable of applying basic maths, or thinking in flexible terms?


Did you actually read any of my other posts? Or did you prefer to pounce on one because you didn't like my turn of phrase?


I believe I read them all, and was, indeed, reacting to them. Is there a particular point on which you feel my comprehension has failed? I do believe I understood every single post on the thread.


No, no, you carry on. laugh
August 12, 2012 2:08 AM
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I believe I read them all, and was, indeed, reacting to them. Is there a particular point on which you feel my comprehension has failed? I do believe I understood every single post on the thread.


No, no, you carry on. laugh


Sorry, I'm still struggling here. Did I fail to understand, or not? Which point did I not 'read' correctly?
Edited by meerkat70 On August 12, 2012 2:08 AM
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August 12, 2012 2:12 AM
Ha, fellow Brit here *waves*

I know what you mean about the lbs and stones. I never used to understand lbs and didn't know what the heck people meant when they said they've lost X amount of lbs. But I'm used to it now and actually think more in lbs than stones. When I tell fellow Brits how much I've lost, though, they're like ??? what's that in stones? Ha, I don't even know what I am in stones. I THINK I've lost 2 stone 4lbs?
  3123985
August 12, 2012 2:15 AM
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I agree we should have an option for stones and pounds. Also to get the date the right way round would be good.


ooh yes, the date thing annoys me, but I adapt, like i do with a lot of american things, like CUPS, for instance! What's the deal with that?! But an option for us Brits to have things our way on our tickers and walls would be nice! wink


Sorry, you don't know how to measure in cups? I mean, I don't think cup measures are a fabulous idea (volume being less accurate than weight) but I do know how to *do* it.... And generally, there are plenty of options with grams and ounces on any particular entry in the database. if you're using one that only gives cups, chances are it's an American entry (and if it's something like peanut butter, or cheese, the composition of the foods are quite different, so you're better off searching for one that does have an alternative measurement available.)

Mind you, perhaps it's because I don't identify with phrases like 'us Brits' that is the base issue here. While British by birth, I don't really see it as a homogenous category of person, and it doesn't define my identity. That might be why I'm capable of applying basic maths, or thinking in flexible terms?


Wow, rude much? Even in this part of the forum, people still have to be arse'y? :/
  3123985
August 12, 2012 2:16 AM
I think it's great to as I'm new.
I had to go to the internet to convert it for me lol
I'm from the UK as well. were about's are you? I'm Lincolnshire.
Also do you know how to make photos smaller mine are to big and wont let me up load cry
August 12, 2012 2:31 AM
I Would love to see the metric system for uk, i have to keep using my converter, and my converter says that stone (uk) is less then the stone (us),also we bought home some weighing scales from Florida and they seem to weigh more, then compared to the uk ones. ???
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August 12, 2012 2:38 AM
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Wow, rude much? Even in this part of the forum, people still have to be arse'y? :/


How is that post rude? Simply disagreeing, and pointing out what I'd see as logical errors is not rude. It's disagreeing and pointing out logical errors....
Edited by meerkat70 On August 12, 2012 2:39 AM
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August 12, 2012 2:39 AM
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It would be nice to be able to choose stones and lb's. Purely because it's what us Brits are used to. Also I don't understand the cup measurement? I did google it but it didn't really make it much clearer. Is there any one that could explain it to me in laymans terms? ;-)


I don't understand why a cup measurement can seem so complex?
If you have a recipe that requires 1 cup of flour, you get out the cup measure (250ml in Australia) and fill up the cup with flour.... Not really tricky!!
If you can pour a cup of tea you can measure a cup of anything.

And re having the option of stones - sure, having options woukd be good but I've found that i've learnt to understand weight in pounds - even though I record my weight in kg, there are so many Americans on this site who use pounds in their posts, I've had to
learn.

Really though, it would make much more sense for you guys (US and UK) to move into the 20th century and use metric!


I think the issue is that cups that people use for drinking out of don't come in any particular standard size (at least where I've lived they don't maybe they do in the USA?), and if you don't happen to have a set of actual measuring cups (most brits don't as we don't use the cup measurements) then how do you measure a cup? Which cup do you use? They're all different volumes. All the measuring jugs I've ever owned have had litres and ml and/or cc's on one side and fluid ounces on the other side. So to actually use cups as a measurement in recpies etc, you need a set of measuring cups and if you don't have a set of measuring cups...

Personally I use the "my foods" section of the diary a lot and enter foods in myself in the units that I want, i.e. grams, because weight measurements are more accurate than volume ones (you can easily accidentally overfill a measuring cup or teaspoon, but you can't do that if you're weighing food. My kitchen scale does oz/lbs or g/kg.

I think it would be good to have the option to display your own weight in the units of your choice and I like the idea someone suggested earlier of having all options on people's tickers so you can see how much others have lost in the units that make most sense to you. I mentally convert between all 3 and usually know my weight in all 3 because I've had to change between units for most of my life. When I was at school I learned in kgs but then at home my family used imperial so I had to learn both. And since I've lived abroad I've had to do everything in metric, because that's what the rest of the world does, including measuring long distances in km and speeds in km/h. Metric speed limit sings are misleading, it says 120, but it's not as fast as 120mph lol!

The one that gets me the most is Fahrenheit, because in the UK we use centigrade, used that at home and at school (although some things like the oven and the thermometer had both on them so I was vaguely familiar with the existence of Fahrenheit) and where I live now people use centigrade, and then when I studied science I was converting between centigrade and Kelvin. So I don't get Fahrenheit, in fact I can't even spell it I had to use the spell checker. Anyway, when people are talking about "oh it's so hot here, it's over 100 degrees" I kind of imagine boiling water and wonder why you're still alive laugh
Edited by dhakiyya On August 12, 2012 2:40 AM
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August 12, 2012 2:41 AM
If you go to a supermarket, anywhere in Britain, you can pick up a set of cup measures. I have one hanging in my kitchen as we speak.

A cup measure, for what it's worth, is a volume of 250ml.
Edited by meerkat70 On August 12, 2012 2:41 AM
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August 12, 2012 2:47 AM
14lbs to a stone its easy! Or use a calculator?

I think its a minor thing considering all this site offers for free.
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