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May 5, 2012 12:37 AM
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So you didn't read it but looked at the description on amazon? Not quite the same.

fair enough. I just wouldn't cash the money for something that blame obesity problem on something that's obviously not causing same problems in other cultures. It seems too much like somebody making money on people's fears and problems.
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If you can eat 5000 kcal of white bread every day, that is awesome.
I cannot. Many can't. Do what works for you. Clearly eating bread works great for you. Keep it up but let's not pretend your method words for everyone or there wouldn't be an mfp.

the only thing is - I'm not talking about a 'method', I'm talking about whole cultures whose cuisine is heavily based on wheat who don't have obesity problems (unless you consider 'active lifestyle' a method). (I explained in my previous post that I'm not talking only about myself)
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May 5, 2012 12:38 AM
You're going to have to pry my bread from my cold, dead, fingers!
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May 5, 2012 12:41 AM
I went a whole month without having any bread, sugar, carbs, etc. I lost a lot of weight, but hit a plateau. When I finally gave in and had some bread, I found I lost two pounds when I weighed myself the next morning. I say all things in moderation! drinker
May 5, 2012 12:41 AM
Which entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.
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May 5, 2012 12:43 AM
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seen a lot of posts lately regarding "whole grain/wheat" bread/brown rice.. and such.. I am not understand why alot of people choose to cut them out COMPLETELY... I have lost weight with still eating bread, at a deficit.. eating healthy and working out...

please tell me I am not the only one? share YOUR success so we can put the "bad carbs" posts to rest!


WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT?!

Nah, just kidding. I eat bread, pasta, rice and such. I just eat it at a deficit and exercise. I've lost 15lbs so far.
May 5, 2012 12:56 AM
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Please help save my "health". How am I destroying my good health by not eating grains?.... And BTW, I don't participate in portion control, I eat as much as I want.


You're not destroying your health. If its working that's great. How many calories are you consuming? For a lot of low carbers the eat as much as you want does work but they are creating a caloric deficit. For those that it doesn't work - it is not creating a caloric deficit - they still over-eat.
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May 5, 2012 12:56 AM
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Which entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.

A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don't :)) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! :) unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.
Edited by Aineko On May 5, 2012 12:58 AM
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May 5, 2012 12:57 AM
Bread is mystical for me. It's one of the first foods and it's SO TASTY. How the hell did they figure out yeast? It's just crazy and marvelous.


I don't even eat bread that often, but it's very serious to me.. just by making it, I feel like I'm providing something -amazing- for my family. I think most bakers would agree there's something spiritual and calming about it.

I don't think something that's pretty much been around since the dawn of humanity, something so important to so many cultures could be bad for you. I love baking. I LOVE homemade loaves, rolls, flatbreads, rich brioche and basic but complex artisan boules and batards... I even eat the tasteless fluffy stuff you buy from supermarkets.
May 5, 2012 12:59 AM
I eat bread. And lose and gain the same 5 lbs over and over. I don't blame the bread. Bread is tasty goodness. Eat it, and be happy.
May 5, 2012 1:00 AM
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Bread is mystical for me. It's one of the first foods and it's SO TASTY. How the hell did they figure out yeast? It's just crazy and marvelous.

oh, it's good without yeast as well :). I love flat breads. Flat bread was my main breakfast item when I was a kid.
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May 5, 2012 1:00 AM
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Which entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.

A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don't :)) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! :) unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.


Are you Serbian? I am Serbian and my whole family. My mum is the same if she doesn't have bread with a meal its not a meal.
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May 5, 2012 1:02 AM
Keto diets are a fad!
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May 5, 2012 1:07 AM
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Which entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.

A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don't :)) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! :) unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.


Are you Serbian? I am Serbian and my whole family. My mum is the same if she doesn't have bread with a meal its not a meal.


hahahha is it that obvious from my love of bread? happy (Serbian, grown up in a village - you can get the picture :) )
Edited by Aineko On May 5, 2012 1:10 AM
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May 5, 2012 1:09 AM
i still eat bread pasta etc just not the massive portions i used to. i also move my ass more in everything i do. as long as i control my portions im okay. i have at least 2 slices of bread every day and look at my ticker. started this properly in jan!
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May 5, 2012 1:09 AM
Carbs and sugar are two different things. But from what I`ve heard on here and countless books I`ve read, diets I`ve tried. The only thing that works is.....

Moderate calorie cut, and exercise and enjoying life.

My Tdee is 3000 cal per day? I eat only 2000, I never lose and indeed gain a lb a week. Make sense?

Let you know if I lose from now. Not successful eating minimal calories. At ;5'9" you can`t eat 1500 cal per day forever. No carbs is just another industry money making scheme. You do not have a disease, you just need to cut back a little, in a few months you`ll be slammin.
May 5, 2012 1:12 AM
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Which entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.

A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don't :)) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! :) unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.


Are you Serbian? I am Serbian and my whole family. My mum is the same if she doesn't have bread with a meal its not a meal.


hahahha is it that obvious from my love of bread? happy


No, you mentioned Serbia in your About Me. When someone comments I like to look at their profile to see where they are coming from. I love bread too but a bit too much!
My parents grew up in a village in Serbia. I was born in Kikinda when they moved there and later moved to Australia.
Edited by suziecue66 On May 5, 2012 1:14 AM
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May 5, 2012 1:19 AM
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Which entire cultures are based on wheat and don't have an obesity problem? I'm not disagreeing , just haven't heard of them.

A lot of Eastern Europe, and particularly the Balkans. Bread (white bread) is the alpha and omega of the diet, practically a religious item (you get told of as a child if you dare play with or throw away your piece of bread) and 'fast food' is basically pastry (as I said, you go to bakeries for food on the go). Bread is eaten with absolutely every meal (I mean EVERY, including meals with potatoes and similar; some ppl even eat bread with pasta meals, I don't :)) - so much that even 5 years after moving away from there I still feel like I didn't have a meal if there was no piece of bread present (and by bread I mean real, freshly baked bread, the one that lasts only couple of days, not the stuff you buy in the supermarket - bread is supposed to have crust! :) unless it's a flat bread, which is also yummy)
Mediterranean, with a lot of pasta and pastries would be another example.


Are you Serbian? I am Serbian and my whole family. My mum is the same if she doesn't have bread with a meal its not a meal.


hahahha is it that obvious from my love of bread? happy


No, you mentioned Serbia in your About Me. When someone comments I like to look at their profile to see where they are coming from. I love bread too but a bit too much!
My parents grew up in a village in Serbia. I was born in Kikinda when they moved there and later moved to Australia.

oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south :)
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May 5, 2012 1:24 AM
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"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south :)"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!
Edited by suziecue66 On May 5, 2012 1:25 AM
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May 5, 2012 3:38 AM
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"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south :)"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!

Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lol :D

just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your ass makes you fat":

it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract

diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.

Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.
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May 5, 2012 4:38 AM
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"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south :)"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!

Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lol :D

just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your ass makes you fat":

it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract

diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.

Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.


yeh, definitely didn't succeed as a low carber and unfortunately wasted my time doing the same thing and expecting different results plus it's hard to not eat pita.

Agree on the lifestyle change.
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May 5, 2012 5:28 AM
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"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south :)"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!

Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lol :D

just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your ass makes you fat":

it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract

diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.

Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.



Balkan diets are not wheat based. They include some type of bread or pasta, but the main staple is meat. They eat bread as a side or a snack, or a pastry on the go, but the main meal consists mainly of meat traditionally. And also, obesity is on the rise because now, they are including more bread like you just stated.
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May 5, 2012 5:34 AM
I'm so sick of these posts, but just gotta give a little tidbit of my 2 cents. First off, if there was one recipe, equstion, solution, program or plan for effective weight loss in humans, then mfp, weight watchers, atkins, south beach, none of these would exist. So why do people who include carbs as the main part of the diet feel the need to chastise those who dont? And vica versa?


However, my conclusion after reading this thread confirms my belief that refined carbs are an addiction. Read the people who don't eat carbs. They say things like "i feel better without them, I have success....." What do the carb eaters say??? "you can pry my carbs out of my cold dead hands!!!!!" Replace the carb product in those posts with your drug of choice. Heroine crack coke meth booze, whatever and it really sounds like an addiction. Don't bother to disagree. Denial is the first step to recovery.
Edited by weathergirl320 On May 5, 2012 5:37 AM
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May 5, 2012 5:47 AM
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"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south :)"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!

Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lol :D

just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your ass makes you fat":

it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract

diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.

Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.



Balkan diets are not wheat based. They include some type of bread or pasta, but the main staple is meat. They eat bread as a side or a snack, or a pastry on the go, but the main meal consists mainly of meat traditionally. And also, obesity is on the rise because now, they are including more bread like you just stated.

The diet is meat (fatty)+bread - one does not go without the other. Yes, bread is a 'side' (technically), but still eaten in enormous quantities (plus all other pastries eaten during the day, from bakeries). I didn't state that 'now they are including more bread", where did you get that? Last time I checked the diet was the same as ever.
Edited by Aineko On May 5, 2012 5:49 AM
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May 5, 2012 5:52 AM
I eat bread, pasta, etc. I have days when I want more carbs, and days when I want more protein. Within reason, I listen to my body on this. I seem to be doing ok.
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May 5, 2012 5:59 AM
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"oh, you are from Vojvodina - you guys love bread stuff even more than us down south :)"
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Must explain why I love it so much and can't stop at 1 slice and explains why I failed at low carb so many times.!

Serb on a low carb diet - that's a disaster waiting to happen lol :D

just to illustrate why I think that "wheat doesn't make you fat. sitting on your ass makes you fat":

it is hard to find good studies of obesity in Serbia but I think this one nicely illustrates huge importance of active lifestyle:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2009.00574.x/abstract

diet wise, these kids are eating very similar food. If anything, kids in villages will eat more bread and high fat (animal fat) food. however, boys growing up in villages are way more active than those in cities.

Unfortunately, like in other western countries, obesity in Serbia seem to be on the rise, especially in the last decade. the diet is not changing, the lifestyle does.



So you admit you were wrong then? Because the Balkan diet INCLUDES bread and wheat etc. But the main components are not those things. I don't know if you spent a lot of time in the US but the standard American diet's MAIN component is grains. They eat grains as the main portion of all meals. And look at their obesity. If Americans adopted a Balkan type diet the obesity rates would go down drastically. You said the obesity was risint in the balkans, and i know and see firsthand that they are starting to eat like the Americans. Less fat more grains. I see it everyday. And obesity is going along with it.


Balkan diets are not wheat based. They include some type of bread or pasta, but the main staple is meat. They eat bread as a side or a snack, or a pastry on the go, but the main meal consists mainly of meat traditionally. And also, obesity is on the rise because now, they are including more bread like you just stated.

The diet is meat (fatty)+bread - one does not go without the other. Yes, bread is a 'side' (technically), but still eaten in enormous quantities (plus all other pastries eaten during the day, from bakeries). I didn't state that 'now they are including more bread", where did you get that? Last time I checked the diet was the same as ever.
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