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March 20, 2012 7:20 PM
Your net calories should be at least 1200 a day. You're depriving your body of necessary fuel when you exercise PAST the number of calories you've consumed. Think of it as trying to drive a car with an empty gas tank -- the fumes will take you a few extra feet but eventually you're just going to stall and not go anywhere.
  15610565
March 20, 2012 7:23 PM
For the record, you should be netting at LEAST 1200-ish, probably more in your case.
Netting zero/negative calories is not good at all.
March 20, 2012 7:25 PM
eat your daily allowed calories and your exercize calories and you will lose weight. You are literally starving your body. I am in the 140's and eat 1480-2300 calories in a day depending on how much I work out and I still lose weight.
  1153805
March 20, 2012 7:25 PM
What's the difference from not eating enough, and exercising a lot? NOT much. They are both extreme stressors on the body, and you're doing both. you're pretty much in starvation mode. Due to a lot of stress on your thyroid, and endocrine system. Your metabolism came to a stand still... I wrote a blog about this below you will find it.

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There are a ton of hormones that regulate the body. There is a delicate matrix of chemical reactions that work together to keep you alive. I will talk about thyroid function. It’s a big contributor to metabolic regulation. You can’t pin point everything to one hormone, they all work together as I already mentioned. If you have seen my topic “Excess calories causes fat gain- Debunked” you’re probably thinking I am a hypocrite right now, due to the fact it appears I was attacking insulin. I was attacking the entire calorie hypothesis. Theory being, burn more than what you eat, and you will lose weight. I stated that any diet you choose, low calories, low carb, paleo, south beach, you name it, will reduce insulin levels.

This is what gets me, a few think I am a quack, and what not, because the things I have said, they jump to conclusions, jumping to conclusions leads to inaccurate results. Ever consider the things I DIDN’T SAY?? I never mentioned insulin has a baseline in a healthy individual. The primary role of insulin is to keep blood glucose in the fairly narrow range of roughly 80-120 mg/dl.

Okay so what happens when we keep on decreasing our calories? You will start to impair thyroid function and insulin levels will lower. See the link? I can also mention growth hormone, leptin, cortisol, Catecholamine, ghrelin, IFG-1 Etc… (I said this so no one is *****ing about it later), I CHOOSE not to mention them.

Calorie restriction reduces thyroid production, reduce thyroid activity means lower metabolic rate. Carbohydrates are important for metabolic regulation because they increase thyroid activity. (now it looks like I am bashing glucagon, and Growth hormone -rolls eyes- ), but low calorie reduces thyroid activity. The kicker is most overweight people are insulin resistant to some degree, and carbs increase insulin higher than any other macronutrient.

If you’re over weight can’t consume too many carbs to help keep thyroid activity normal, you won’t lose much if any weight if you try this. You can’t lower your calories too low to lose weight, because of metabolic rate will slow down(due to low thyroid function), and you will stall out.

What most people do is lose weight, by calorie reduction and some form of exercise(also lowers insulin). The issue is people usually stall out due to what I mentioned, a lower production of thyroid hormone. The thing people try to do is… lower calories more, they stall out again… and try to lower them more. What is the goal to eat 500 calories a day??? Eventually people accept their weight, and say “I am happy where I am.” I feel weight training is very important for weight loss –cough-builds new muscle fibers has more glucose receptors makes you more INSULIN SENSITIVE –cough- compared to aerobics because, aerobics really doesn’t change body composition to much. Once you’re done for the day you’re done burning calories. Resistance adds new muscle, which increases your metabolic rate. Think of how this would affect you in 10yrs compared to 10yrs of cardio.

This thing is long, so let me get to it. What to do when you hit a plateau. You can help yourself avoid one by having a free day once a week. I usually eat whatever I want, as much as I want with out any plateaus. The only time I hit a plateau was when I increased my carb intake, I busted it by increase my calories(YES MORE CALORIES) and lower carb intake.

Some people have been stuck for months, Notice how these are the people who are chronic exercisers, and who are constantly on low calorie diets? They are just under too much stress. If you fall in to this category… You need to relax, and eat up your calories, expect a few lbs weight gain, but this will restore your metabolism, and hormones. Lyle Mcdonald recommends taking 2 weeks off to restore your metabolism. I would recommend a month, so you’re fresh.
  11390926
March 20, 2012 7:27 PM
WOW that's some insane calorie burning. First, I would invest in a heart-rate monitor. Then either eat A LOT more and continue working out the same or workout less and continue eating the same. WOW that's a lot of calories.
March 20, 2012 7:28 PM
Where are you getting the Calorie burn from?
If it's from MFP then it's likely WRONG!!!!! and too high for you.
For Cardio, get a Heart Rate Monitor, set it up and log the Calories from that.
For Strength Training, don't log anything. Calorie burn from Strength Training is too vague and a complex issue.
You should be alternating Cardio and Resistance training days and keep the amount of exercise down to a more sane level which will stop your body going into starvation mode which it might be if you are really burning that many calories and eating that little.
Also, make sure to drink lots of water especially after working out.
Look around the forums like others have said but take some of the advice with a pinch of salt and don't be afraid to look at other sites like Livingstrong, etc. There's plenty of good (and bad) information out there.
Finally, if it drives you too crazy, consult a good nutritionist. One that doesn't have an agenda (like wants to sell you their junk).
  8041888
March 20, 2012 7:31 PM
Are you sure you're accurately tracking your calories burned? If so you need to back off of the exercise. That is seriously a little extreme. I have to agree with the exercise less and eat more. Too much exercise can be harmful, not helpful.
  11570105
March 20, 2012 7:31 PM
You can't be serious! If you're really netting that low of a calorie amount, you're going to get sick....i don't know how you even have the physical strength to muscle through all those work outs existing on NEGATIVE calories.
  16988687
March 20, 2012 7:32 PM
QUOTE:

One thing I noticed is that MFP give you more carb allowance than you should take in. you should try not to go over 80g of carbs daily. And until you're ready to build lean muscle and work on shaping your body stay under 80g of protein as well.


Why should I only have 80g of carbs? And only 80g of protein?

I average 250-300g of carbs in a day and I average 100-120g of protein in a day.
  3200790
March 20, 2012 7:33 PM
I'm doing P90X too and walking/hiking w/my dogs for approx 1 hour daily. I have a polar HRM w/cheststrap and monitor my calorie burn for all. I'm about your size....only about 5lb less, and with those 2 activities, I almost never burn more than 1000 calories a day. P90X averages 300-400 per workout for me.....much less than I see others post. Plyo is more and if I lift very heavy weights, can sometimes burn 400-500 on back/biceps and legs/back days.

My calorie goal is also 1200, but I typically eat between 1400/1600 a day and I'm still starving some days so I eat a little more. I think if you look thru the p90x stuff, they recommend no less than 1800 calories a day.....and that is with only one workout a day!

I feel your pain, because I'm not losing either, but you probably need to cut back a bit on the extreme exercise or eat a little more :) Did you do measurements? Even though the scale isn't moving much, I've lost over 18 inches and my clothes fit great. I look much more toned/fit than when I started too.
March 20, 2012 7:36 PM
Instead of bumping up the burn, you should have bumped up the fuel!
March 20, 2012 7:38 PM
When you exercise you build muscle. Muscle weighs more than fat. You could even gain a small amount until your body adjust.
  18058949
March 20, 2012 7:42 PM
um, that's a little bit crazy. you're not giving your body any fuel. you know how your car can't run on empty? neither can you.

read here and do check out the link at the bottom:

Here's an old post of mine from similar topic:

OK. I'm gonna give this a shot. I am an avid lifelong athlete. I have never been overweight, however, I used to eat too few calories (without knowing it), and a couple years ago, I actually GAINED weight bc of having slowed my metabolism to the point that every little extra treat I ate caused a weight gain, even though overall my calories were too low. THIS DOES HAPPEN.

It is also the reason so many fat people stay fat. They restrict their calories so low, slow their metabolisms, binge (even a little), gain weight, restrict more . . . . and so on and so on. But they are still fat.

It is also the reason most people can't lose that last 10-20 lbs. For real.

1. MFP has a deficit built in. Let's say you're trying to lose 1 lb/ week. That is a 500/day deficit from your BMR (the amount of calories your body needs to complete basic functions.

2. You exercise and burn 500 calories. Now you are at a 1000 deficit. If you eat back those 500 exercise calories, you refuel your body and you still have a 500 deficit for that 1 lb loss. If you DON'T eat back those calories, you have too little fuel. This is bad. This is too much of a deficit for basic functions. If you do this for a long time, you will STOP LOSING WEIGHT. Why? bc your metabolism will slow down -- it's like a brownout--not quite enough electricity to make the whole city (your body) run, so it has to slow down some things. You will probably start being tired a lot, your skin and hair might start to look worse, and you might even gain weight. But you might NOT be hungry -- your body is getting used to fewer calories. That's bad.


That's when you start to gain weight. Let's say you're running along, eating 1200 calories a day, and exercising 400 calories a day, so net is 800. You're losing, you think this is great. You keep doing it, but after a while you stop losing. hmmmmm. One weekend you go out to a special event and have a slice of pizza and a beer. 1 slice of pizza and 1 beer. So you ate maybe 2000 calories that day and exercised off 400, so net 1600. BOOM! You gain 3 lbs! What?!

Next, you freak out and restrict yourself down to 1000 calories a day and work out extra hard, burning 500 calories. Great, netting 500 now. You don't lose any weight, but you sure feel tired. Better get some red bull.

Are you getting the picture?

EDIT: When you work out, you need fuel. Food is fuel. If you don't eat back those exercise calories, you will not only have a big calorie deficit, you will have an ENERGY deficit. Remember, the calorie deficit for weight loss is built in when you use MFP. Exercising basically earns you more calories because you must refuel.
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There are many people who will tell you not to eat exercise calories. Before you take their advice, you might want to see whether they are at goal, have EVER been at goal, or have ever been able to maintain at goal. If anyone says to you 'THE LAST TIME I LOST WEIGHT", just stop listening right there.

Ask some athletes whether or not they replenish their bodies with food equal to the calories they burn. Ask people who are fit and have achieved and maintained a healthy weight for some years. Don't ask people who count walking across a parking lot as exercise.

Here's an interesting case study about how to stay fat while consuming only 700 calories a day. Take a moment, you'll be glad you did:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/3047-700-calories-a-day-and-not-losing

blessings.
March 20, 2012 7:47 PM
bump...cause it's interesting and there are quite a few people out there with somewhat similar things goin on...
March 20, 2012 7:50 PM
Eat more and sometimes victories aren't made on the scale
March 20, 2012 7:57 PM
I burnt 141 calories today! Go me! LOL
March 20, 2012 7:58 PM
QUOTE:

One thing I noticed is that MFP give you more carb allowance than you should take in. you should try not to go over 80g of carbs daily. And until you're ready to build lean muscle and work on shaping your body stay under 80g of protein as well.

lol.
<--- eats a buttload of carbs and tries to eat a buttload of protein every day. losing fat, building muscle, hasn't hit a plateau or gained in the past two and a half months.
why? because i lift heavy and do cardio, burning somewhere around 3000 calories per WEEK. i eat all kinds of food, all the damn time. my diary's open. check it out.
  1474369
March 20, 2012 8:23 PM
I could be wrong but I read that as her total calorie burn for the day..including bmr and exercise. It's still a lot but my hrm logs me at 500 calories during an hour of cardio. It's still seems excessive but not impossible if her bmr is high.
  6140950
March 20, 2012 8:33 PM
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I could be wrong but I read that as her total calorie burn for the day..including bmr and exercise. It's still a lot but my hrm logs me at 500 calories during an hour of cardio. It's still seems excessive but not impossible if her bmr is high.


That's what I read it as too. Which also makes her net not quite as negative, although it's still not good.
Edited by susannamarie On March 20, 2012 8:33 PM
March 20, 2012 9:47 PM
Eat more. Cardio less. Add more strength training.

(assuming that cardio is why you are burning all those calories...those are insane amounts)
March 21, 2012 10:09 AM
You really should eat more. Having a negative net caloric intake is harmful to you.

You don't need to be doing P90X for 400 minutes a day. You will lose weight if you switch up what you are doing. Exercise less, a lot less and eat more. What you're doing now is giving your body NO FUEL to function. We aren't on the biggest loser here. This is NOT healthy at all.

It may be a good idea to take a visit to your doctor if you are exercising that much. I hate to say it but it's an eating disorder of sorts. Not eating a lot and exercising crazy amounts a day.

You don't need to do that much.
March 21, 2012 10:30 AM
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No offense, but you are not burning off 2700-3200 calories a day.
I'm an MMA fighter and i train 4 hours a day, cardio, strength/conditioning, hard sparring and technical (jiu jitsu, kickboxing, judo, wrestling etc) and burn off AT MOST 800 calories, and this is being extremely reasonable.
You are seriously over estimating yourself.

Running a 26 mile (41km) marathon burns off at most 3500 calories, you're telling me that you're doing about a marathon every single day? i'm just sitting here laughing at you.



800 calories for a 4 hour workout?!?!? Man, you must be in top form. I average 750 just for one hour of kickboxing! I'm brand new to the sport, but loving it! love bigsmile

I ran a half marathon and burned 1200. Of course, it took me 2.5 hours. embarassed

Snecker I'm certainly expert on weight loss, or I wouldn't still be trying to lose the last 15#, but logic tells me if workout out more and eating less isn't working for you, try eating more and working out less. The only thing you have to lose is perhaps a minor gain and you will know whether or not it was a good choice.

Good Luck!
Edited by rmk20togo On March 21, 2012 11:13 AM
  13698812
March 21, 2012 11:00 AM
QUOTE:

No offense, but you are not burning off 2700-3200 calories a day.
I'm an MMA fighter and i train 4 hours a day, cardio, strength/conditioning, hard sparring and technical (jiu jitsu, kickboxing, judo, wrestling etc) and burn off AT MOST 800 calories, and this is being extremely reasonable.
You are seriously over estimating yourself.

Running a 26 mile (41km) marathon burns off at most 3500 calories, you're telling me that you're doing about a marathon every single day? i'm just sitting here laughing at you.

Get off your pedestal and stop lying to yourself, if you were anywhere as near as fit as i am, then i should just shoot myself in the foot


Not all true - you must be in top condition and/or not very big burning that little - I burn around 800 on a longer run (10-12km ), and it is quite possible to burn up to 5000 cals during a marathon (42kms)....
I agree that the OP is doing something wrong, but YOUR burn does not mean that everybody else is lying about theirs....
you sound a little angry too, maybe you should go and kick something?
  14203297
March 21, 2012 12:54 PM
QUOTE:

No offense, but you are not burning off 2700-3200 calories a day.
I'm an MMA fighter and i train 4 hours a day, cardio, strength/conditioning, hard sparring and technical (jiu jitsu, kickboxing, judo, wrestling etc) and burn off AT MOST 800 calories, and this is being extremely reasonable.
You are seriously over estimating yourself.

Running a 26 mile (41km) marathon burns off at most 3500 calories, you're telling me that you're doing about a marathon every single day? i'm just sitting here laughing at you.

Get off your pedestal and stop lying to yourself, if you were anywhere as near as fit as i am, then i should just shoot myself in the foot


Wow that's just nasty, why would you sit there and laugh at someone who is asking for help.

Seems the op is new and perhaps she isn't estimating her burn correctly, doesn't mean she's lying to herself, it means she's learning and asking for advice.
  15681916
March 21, 2012 5:01 PM
Ive bumped up my calories and feel as if Im eating like a wilderbeast lol but what if your not hungry and you have something like 400-600 cals to go at the end of your day? :/

Do you just force it down?

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