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March 14, 2012 12:25 PM
I will be sure not to post anything again on this site. Thanks.
March 14, 2012 12:31 PM
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Just shows you how strong a placebo effect can be. You have to inject HCG to get any benefits, ingesting the drops does zero. But the body will beleive what the mind tells it.


Injected HCG won't do anything for your weight loss either. The whole HCG diet theory is nothing but a 50 year old scam.

http://www.dietscam.org/reports/hcg.shtml
March 14, 2012 12:31 PM
VERY INTERESTING.... I have been on MFP for 14 months and have lost 61 pounds and have exercised all the way...hmmmm....diet and exercise works...
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March 14, 2012 1:05 PM
I had been trying diet and exercise and using MFP for over 2 yrs, but that scale wasn't moving. I've been doing IP for 2 1/2 wks, have lost 16 lb, and feel really good. I'm not hungry, no cravings, I have more will power than I've EVER had in my life, and I'm seeing results. I'm a nurse practitioner, and the family practice clinic next door to the urgent care where I work started selling IP about a year ago. Most of their staff are on the diet, and they look AMAZING. Their results are what motivated me to try it. Also, my A1C had been creeping closer to "pre-diabetic" than I was comfortable with at my age, and I knew I needed to do something about my diet.

To clear up a couple things: IP is a medically supervised diet, (in the US at least--in Canada I understand it can be done in non-medical health clinics?) and from reading I assume each clinic must determine which parts of the diet they are going to stress. 1000 isn't the magic number--at least not with the clinic where I go. In fact, they never told me a number--I follow the guidelines, and my calories are different every day--usually 7-800 or so. They also didn't tell me NO exercising, just that if I do, I need to have a small snack before and after, since my average day doesn't have enough calories to allow for exercise. That works FINE for me, since I found that when I exercised, I justified eating total crap.

I like to exercise, but honestly, at 250 lb, it HURT. If I can drop 50-60 lb quickly and safely (medically supervised remember...I'm not just sitting alone in my apt eating lettuce, I'm actually accountable to my provider and health coach) so I can get back to kickboxing and running and all the things I loved before grad school and a sucky ex-husband gifted me with an extra 60 lb...well then it works for me.

As for the cost--IP is meant for short term use, it's not a gimmick to get you to buy their food forever. We also have found a lot of good replacements online, so once my current IP supply runs out, I'll likely be using mostly other products, but continuing the weekly weigh-ins and such so I have that accountability. One thing unique about their foods is the high protein value to foods typically devoid of it--I have soup every day that has only 90 cal and 18 grams of protein, and if I'm munchy, chips that are 120 cal (for a good portion) and 15 g of protein. I also find the cost motivates me to stick with it--I've been lots of places in the last 3 wks where I would usually indulge in snacks or a few glasses of wine, etc but have NOT cheated. I don't want my investment to go to waste.

I'm retraining my brain, learning to have discipline when it comes to food, and I don't intend to stay on it forever. Everyone knows diet and exercise works. DUH. To someone who has been overweight my entire life, snarky self-righteous comments like "Well just eat better and exercise more, I did it" are incredibly counterproductive. If that's what's working for you, awesome. This is what's working for me (and pretty much everyone I work with) right now.
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March 14, 2012 1:28 PM
Very low calorie plans might take off weight fast, but it is not without dangers:

http://drsuetalks.blogspot.com/2011/04/dangers-of-very-low-calorie-diet.html
March 20, 2012 8:42 PM
I will be starting IP tomorrow. I have all my products and I am ready to go. I was told by my physician that I am pre-diabetic and need to let my pancreas rest. I saw this plan and it seem just like what I need at this time in my life. I have tried a variety of different solutions but I have still failed to lose the 50 pounds I have gained over the past 7 years.
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March 20, 2012 8:47 PM
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I would be very suspicious of any diet plan that does not allow you to exercise. They probably say that so you won't pass out on the 1,000 calories a day they allow. And too high of a percentage of protein in your diet can cause health issues in some people

It sounds a bit too much like the dangerous HCG diet scam to me

I would vote "NO"


Actually it is the best advice for people eating ultra low calorie diets. This is why 90% of the people cant lose weight on this site eating their 1200 calories and exercising 5-6 times a week. You either take a moderate deficit approach and move, or take a large deficit approach and dont move. You cannot succeed on alot of activitity and ultra low calories.


That's because you're supposed to be EATING the exercise calories CREATING only a moderate deficit. DUH!
March 21, 2012 6:14 AM
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I would be very suspicious of any diet plan that does not allow you to exercise. They probably say that so you won't pass out on the 1,000 calories a day they allow. And too high of a percentage of protein in your diet can cause health issues in some people

It sounds a bit too much like the dangerous HCG diet scam to me

I would vote "NO"


Actually it is the best advice for people eating ultra low calorie diets. This is why 90% of the people cant lose weight on this site eating their 1200 calories and exercising 5-6 times a week. You either take a moderate deficit approach and move, or take a large deficit approach and dont move. You cannot succeed on alot of activitity and ultra low calories.


That's because you're supposed to be EATING the exercise calories CREATING only a moderate deficit. DUH!


Which is fine, thats not part of this program. Also good luck being accurate with your exercise calorie calculations. MFP, HRM are so grossly wrong.
April 3, 2012 12:07 PM
I am on day 8 of the IP diet and I am having excellent results. As of my measurements yesterday, I am down 4 lbs and 3.75 inches. I am an avid runner (did my first half marathon last September in 2hr 42 mins), spinner and overall workout-aholic. I have been working with a trainer for the past few months and have been baffled at why I have not been losing weight. I have been following MFP very well... no results. So, the next thing to think about things in my diet. As most people have, I believe now that I have a gluten intolerance and have been a victim of "Wheat-belly". THe first two days were hell. I had a headache and I was hungry. (I was also on my period, so I am sure that had something to do with it). Yesterday I went spinning and worked out with my personal trainer and ate the normal prescribed day's food and felt fine. I actually had more energy. I am doing this through my chiropractors office. I am also new to the whole concept of chiro (thought they were kind of flaky), but I had my first adjustment 2 weeks ago and so much of my pain (plantar Facitis) has disappeared. So, I see myself as making a full body change and I feel so much better and more energized for it. As for as the investment, my first payment was $312 and now I just buy food weekly as I see necessary. The investment is definitely keeping me on track. I am happy to answer any questions on my experience. I am not an expert and I am only on week 2, but am more than happy to share. :)
Edited by kelrun On April 3, 2012 12:08 PM
April 3, 2012 5:07 PM
I just wanted to update some of you who are misinformed about the Ideal Protein diet. The reason you are only "allowed" somewhere between 800-1,000 calories a day is because, if you follow the diet precisely, all the calories you take in are essential in your every day weight loss goal. You literally expend every calorie you consume. Where as in other diets you take in extra, wasted calories. A lot of nutritionists call these "empty calories." There are no "empty calories" on the Ideal Protein diet. And contrary to popular belief, I have seen multiple individuals who were border-line diabetic and even diabetic excell on this diet plan.

In the later phases of the Ideal Protein diet, you are allowed to consume more carbs and more calories which enables you to exercise regularly.

This diet is safe and healthy and was created by a doctor who developed it strictly for athletes and marathon runners. Also, if you do not phase out correctly, you can gain the weight back. But if you go through every phase (1-4), you shouldn't have any problems maintaining weight for life. This diet regimen retrains how your body thinks and feels about carbs and proteins.

In my opinion, it must be tried before criticized. And as with any diet, do your research. This one is great! My start weight was 132. And I know that doesn't seem very heavy, but a normal goal weight for someone my height is 99-119 lbs. I would like to weigh 109. And I have lost almost 10 lbs. so far!
April 20, 2012 7:22 AM
On day 25 and happy to report a loss of 10 pounds and around 9 inches!!! I am thrilled. I am totally into the grove of this kind of eating now and for the most part it is really easy. I am working out fairly normally which is a fair amount (spinning, lifting and running 3-4 times a week). I wasn't too large to begin with, just out of my comfort zone. I am 5 pounds from goal and am so much happier and comfortable with myself. Big kudos to this program!
April 21, 2012 8:31 AM
Good luck with your weight loss, but eating less that 1,000 calories a day is really putting your body into the danger zone -- ESPECIALLY when you are doing heavy exercise. Even if you feel good, you can get sick FAST when you cut your calories too low.

Many doctors would not approve of a plan that relies so much on protein. Eating too high of a percentage of protein can put a lot of stress on your body. (See http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-protein-diets/AN00847 )

Just because a "doctor" created or recommended a diet, that does not necessarily mean it's safe. There are doctors that would do anything to make big money selling books, diet kits, etc that promise quick weight loss
Edited by Health_Gal On April 21, 2012 8:34 AM
April 21, 2012 8:42 AM
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Just because a "doctor" created or recommended a diet, that does not necessarily mean it's safe. There are doctors that would do anything to make big money selling books, diet kits, etc that promise quick weight loss


I totally agree with that -- my friend's Dad is a Dr. (with something like 35 years of experience) and he did the Lemon juice/cayenne pepper/maple syrup/water fast. I mean, come on!!
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April 21, 2012 9:33 AM
If you want a doctor to supervise your diet, that's up to you. It is not necessary if you want to just shift your diet towards protein. Proteins are harder to metabolize so it means that you actually boost your metabolism by eating protein — yes, you burn calories by eating. According to what I've read, protein requires almost 25% more energy to digest compared to fat and it can up calorie burn by as much as 35 percent.
April 21, 2012 2:49 PM
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that laughs at that! Ha!
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April 25, 2012 3:35 PM
Just read the article you referenced:
"For most healthy people, a high-protein diet generally isn't harmful if followed for a short time, such as three to four months, and may help with weight loss. However, the risks of using a high-protein diet — usually with carbohydrate restriction — for the long term are still being studied. Several health problems may result if a high-protein diet is followed for an extended time: "

The key is not doing it for too long. I have been doing it for almost 5 weeks and feel fantastic. I will reach a point soon where I have achieved my goal and phase 2 will begin, then phase 3 and finally phase 4. I like this plan because being bored with the foods I can eat, I have had to find healthy ways to make the food taste good. I have found fantastic new recipes that my family loves using fresher ingredients and homemade dressings, etc.

It is all in the learning. As I add foods back into my diet, I will be much more mindful of what I am putting in my body to maintain the goal that I am finally achieving. I am a bit of a heath nut, so I am very careful of what I do to my body. With 2 extremely obese parents (one of which passed away at 59) I know that staying sit and strong will take continuous work for the rest of my life, but I am committed and I love how I am feeling now that I have detoxed my body from all of the nastiness and look forward to filling my body with better food choices as this chapter of my journey comes to a close.
April 25, 2012 10:16 PM
From what I've heard, the daily calorie allowance you're instructed to eat on that plan is too low to be safe. MFP, and most nutrition and diet experts, recommend that you not drop your daily calories below 1,200 per day when trying to lose weight. Eating fewer calories can endanger your health..
April 26, 2012 6:01 AM
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Very low calorie plans might take off weight fast, but it is not without dangers:

http://drsuetalks.blogspot.com/2011/04/dangers-of-very-low-calorie-diet.html


People need to get out of the mindset of numbers................It is NOT about the number of calories one takes in, but the quality of the NUTRITION one intakes.

People never used to count calories, ate plenty of fat and were never obese.

I don't count calories any longer and I will never count them again. I focus on the nutrition found in the Natural foods I eat.
May 24, 2012 3:46 AM
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July 10, 2012 6:30 AM
I did ideal protein a year ago and lost 40 pounds in 3 months. It costs $340 a month. No exercise, because you literally are too weak, at least in the beginning. Even if you don't exercise you still lose, it's not a lifestyle diet, it's an extreme diet. I found myself dreading social settings because of having to explain my pre-purchased package protein "foods" My kidneys were effected big time by this diet. I got my first kidney stone because of this diet, and have had kidney issues ever since. Does it work? Yes. Is it healthy? I'd say no. It distributed at "health centers" try... chiropractor's offices that want the extra income. I made it to the final phase and had to stop due to finding out I was pregnant. I gained it all back, and now I've lost the majority on Weight Watchers with exercise incorporated. Will you lose, yes-- a lot, if you don't cheat at all. It will cost a lot, you won't feel like yourself, I was moody. Overall, for quick-- I need to fit into a wedding dress diet-- I'd say yes. For lifestyle, long term. HECK NO.
July 10, 2012 8:03 AM

................It is NOT about the number of calories one takes in, but the quality of the NUTRITION one intakes.


I agree that it is the quality not just the quantity. Eating 1200 calories can have the same malnourished effect as a 500 calorie diet if what is consumed is TRASH. I bet I could still lose weight if I consumed a 1200 calorie funnel cake daily and ate nothing else, and continued that for a period of time. I'd call it the funnel cake diet! Of course I'd be malnourished. To the point of some of the IPD proponents, it is the quality of calories consumed that is important. I'm not successful yet but I am trying to get 5 vegetables (and fruit), every day, and trying to include lean meats, and dropping the processed foods. I'm not as good as I'm gonna get.

I'm not exactly sure what the Ideal Protein Diet is, and I probably won't investigate it because I don't plan on doing it, but I will not knock it just because of the radical calorie limit, I need much more info before dismissing anything right away.

Good luck to all of us, in our weight loss, and healthy living journey!
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July 10, 2012 2:04 PM
It is sad that some doctors and health and weight loss consultants are willing to put people that come to them for advice on exreme and dangerous diets just to make a quick profit.
July 10, 2012 2:06 PM
wow i'd never BUY food when lowcarb is so easy to follow..

a fool and his money...
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August 5, 2012 8:15 PM
I am on Ideal Protein and absolutely love it. It's the easiest thing i have ever done.

At 47 yrs old and 5'11", I went from 240 lbs to 187 lbs 12 weeks later.

Ideal Protein is a Ketosis based diet protocol. The thing about Ketosis is that while i am only consuming 900 calories a day worth of protein and veggies etc, my body (being in a state of ketosis) is eating 2000 calories a day of it's own fat stores. So my body is effectively getting 2900 calories a day to live on.

Through ketosis, I lose more weight sleeping at night than I used to on an ellyptical trainer for an hour.


My intial fee of $175 included first week's food, and 2 hour long consultations. After that, the food is $85 /wk. Call me a fool, but my wife and I have been enjoying our best summer since the turn of the century.

I'm not sure why all the hate? There is nothing (other than the results) extreme about it. It is a ketosis based, low carb, high protein protocol that has been around in this basic form since the '70's.

I'm not sure why people think it is unhealthy to lose 4.5 pounds a week. By MFP standards, I'd be healthier at 225 lbs or so right now? Instead, I've been enjoying the best summer i've had in over a decade. I have totally found my Mojo, I'm riding in the front of the pack on our 3 hr mountain bike rides 3-4 times a week. At every get-together all I hear are compliments from friends that are astonished at my transformation. You should see the looks on their faces. I have gone from the absolute last notch on my belt to the first notch, and now it is too loose also.

Ideal Protein has been a fountain of youth for me. I feel absolutely awesome. I can't believe all the jump in my step these days.


From Dr Peter Attia's EatingAcademy.com

Ketosis (or keto-adaptation) – Ketosis is a state, achieved through significant reduction of carbohydrate intake (typically to less than 50 grams per day), at which point the body makes a fundamental change from relying on glycogen as its main source of energy to relying on fat as the primary source of energy. In particular, the brain shifts from being entirely dependent on glucose, to being primarily dependent on beta-hydroxybutyrate – a so-called “ketone body.” Ketone bodies are chemical structures made by the liver (also somewhat in the kidney) out of fatty acids, primarily.

Our brain can only function with glucose and ketones. Since we can’t store more than about 24 hours worth of glucose, we would all die of hypoglycemia if ever forced to fast for more than 24 hours if it weren't for the fact that our liver can take fat and select amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) and turn them into ketones, first and foremost to feed our brains. Hence, our body’s ability to produce ketones is required for basic survival.

Keto-adaption is a state, achieved through significant reduction of carbohydrate intake (typically to less than 50 grams per day), where the body changes from relying on glycogen as its main source of energy to relying on fat. Specifically, the brain shifts from being primarily dependent on glucose, to being primarily dependent on beta-hydroxybutyrate. This has nothing to do with what a diabetic patient is experiencing in DKA (ketoacidosis), but does illustrate how poorly informed and quick to react the medical community is. DKA and nutritional ketosis (or keto-adaptation) have as much in common as a house fire and a fireplace.
Edited by CTLow On August 5, 2012 8:57 PM
August 5, 2012 8:22 PM
Why don't you try something like this...

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-the-primal-eating-plan/#axzz22XbYmMwc

Leave the doctor, the high prices, and the "no exercise" out of it.
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