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October 25, 2011 8:51 PM
It sounds fascinating to me, but being the pessimist/analytical/doomsdayer I am I wondered if it has had negative results for anyone who has tried it - particulary the 16/8 leangains method.
October 25, 2011 8:57 PM
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It sounds fascinating to me, but being the pessimist/analytical/doomsdayer I am I wondered if it has had negative results for anyone who has tried it - particulary the 16/8 leangains method.


Depends on your appetite. Some may find it difficult to hit a surplus during the feeding window, but keeping fat low and upping carbs should help.

YMMV.
October 25, 2011 9:01 PM
This is from the webMD page on fasting-
"When you fast, your body is forced to dip into energy stores to get the fuel it needs to keep going, so you will lose weight. The big question is how long you will keep that weight off. Because food was often scarce for our ancestors, our bodies have been genetically programmed to combat the effects of fasting. When you eat less food, your metabolism slows down to conserve energy. Then, when you go back to your usual diet, your lowered metabolism may cause you to store more energy, meaning that you will probably gain back the weight you lost and possibly even put on more weight when eating the same calories you did before the fast.

As you fast, your body will adjust by reducing your appetite, so you will initially feel less hungry. But once you have stopped fasting, your appetite hormones will kick back into gear and you may actually feel hungrier and be more likely to binge.

Research has shown that fasting on alternate days can help people lose weight, but not for long. In one study, people who followed an alternate-day fasting diet shed weight, even when they ate all they wanted on the non-fasting days. However, they could not maintain the weight loss over time."
October 25, 2011 9:01 PM
I have never done this particular diet. But what I did do a few years ago was similar, even though it was a religious thing than a weight thing. I didn't gain weight, but I did gain fat. In other words, I was skinny fat. I lost pounds, but I also lost muscle, and I was still mushy. In fact, my middle was mushier than ever. The protocol of what I was doing was actually very close to this diet, even though back then (2004) I had never heard of the diet. Perhaps if I was weight training my results would have been different? IDK. But I won't do it again because what I am currently doing works...so why change it, lol?
October 25, 2011 9:05 PM
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This is from the webMD page on fasting-
"When you fast, your body is forced to dip into energy stores to get the fuel it needs to keep going, so you will lose weight. The big question is how long you will keep that weight off. Because food was often scarce for our ancestors, our bodies have been genetically programmed to combat the effects of fasting. When you eat less food, your metabolism slows down to conserve energy. Then, when you go back to your usual diet, your lowered metabolism may cause you to store more energy, meaning that you will probably gain back the weight you lost and possibly even put on more weight when eating the same calories you did before the fast.

As you fast, your body will adjust by reducing your appetite, so you will initially feel less hungry. But once you have stopped fasting, your appetite hormones will kick back into gear and you may actually feel hungrier and be more likely to binge.

Research has shown that fasting on alternate days can help people lose weight, but not for long. In one study, people who followed an alternate-day fasting diet shed weight, even when they ate all they wanted on the non-fasting days. However, they could not maintain the weight loss over time."



Resting energy expenditure in short-term starvation is increased as a result of an increase in serum norepinephrine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292

CONCLUSIONS:
Resting energy expenditure increases in early starvation, accompanied by an increase in plasma norepinephrine
October 25, 2011 9:11 PM
Credit goes to Alloranx for dropping the knowledge bomb:

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Very true. Check out all the damage intermittent fasting has done to the muscles of these poor people:

http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Client%20results

Don't they just look so weak, sickly and unhealthy? Nasty, I'd never want to look like them. Practically anorexic:

http://www.chilloutpoint.com/images/2010/08/anorexic-models/anorexic-models-06.jpg
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Fasting just destroys your muscles and puts you into starvation mode where you don't lose any fat:

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/265/5/E801.short
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/50/1/96.short
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/94/11/4524.abstract
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Fasting is so bad for your health, too! Scientific studies have shown that over and over again, like these:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20300080
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17616757
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16529878
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It wrecks blood sugar:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17522614
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And it ruins your metabolism!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292
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Also, you can't work out while you're fasting! That would be stupid.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3622486
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17489012
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3292504
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w8712615714k8150/


Read a little before mouthing off about something you don't understand, and next time I won't have to science pwn you all this severely.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html
October 25, 2011 9:15 PM
No, I haven't gained fat, I do the lean gains method, except I happen to incorporate more cardio than he prefers. But intermittent fasting hasn't made me fatter, it has however retrained my ability to decipher when I'm really hungry, as well, given me more will power, gained strength, made PR's on my compound lifts, and went from 19% bf to 15% in 6 months, even though my weight hasn't changed. :) In fact, I weigh more.
October 25, 2011 9:56 PM
Yep, but not enough. Gained about 2kg over 3months. That was eating like a demon on workout days. Is tough to put on weight doing LG. Or I'm just a wuss who can't eat enough?

PB67: got that on my saved list! Knowledge bomb alright!
Edited by chrisdavey On October 25, 2011 9:56 PM
October 26, 2011 11:44 AM
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Yep, but not enough. Gained about 2kg over 3months. That was eating like a demon on workout days. Is tough to put on weight doing LG. Or I'm just a wuss who can't eat enough?

PB67: got that on my saved list! Knowledge bomb alright!


How much do you usually eat per day? I wish I were a wuss somedays. LOL, Seriously. That's why I love LG so much. :D
October 26, 2011 11:51 AM
I read the leangains stuff too. The guy knows what he is talking about but you have to keep in mind that he is doing serious weight training in conjunction with his intermittent fasting. He is also doing the high protein/moderate carbs/low fat ratio... which in my experience is extremely difficult. Intermittent fasting is really only for those doing hard core weight training. It is not for people who are just trying to lose fat. You probably shouldn't do any hardcore cardio while fasting.
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October 26, 2011 1:55 PM
Ebbykins: Was at about 3200 on days and 2700 off for the majority.

swhitney2: so much wrong with what you just said. You do know what is required to lose fat as opposed to weight right?

You should probably have a read of PB67's post.
October 26, 2011 2:30 PM
Eh? I hadn't realised it was for hard core weight trainers. Am sure that's not right.
October 26, 2011 2:51 PM
I think you'll find that IF as it pertains to leangains is more about meal frequency. People find it easier to restrict calories and lose weight and I would have a hard time consuming 4000 calories with IF if i wanted to put on muscle.
Edited by neanderthin On October 26, 2011 2:53 PM
October 26, 2011 3:15 PM
I've been doing lean-gains for the majority of my time here...It works really well for me. However, I take one week off every couple of months and go back to eating meals all day long--(nothing scientific--I'd just like to think it confuses my metabolism...HAHA)

Try it for a couple weeks---worst case, you don't like it/can't do it--you can try something else :)
October 26, 2011 4:19 PM
weight training should be a part of any fat loss plan.
October 26, 2011 4:35 PM
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I read the leangains stuff too. The guy knows what he is talking about but you have to keep in mind that he is doing serious weight training in conjunction with his intermittent fasting. He is also doing the high protein/moderate carbs/low fat ratio... which in my experience is extremely difficult. Intermittent fasting is really only for those doing hard core weight training. It is not for people who are just trying to lose fat. You probably shouldn't do any hardcore cardio while fasting.


Not true at all.
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October 26, 2011 4:55 PM
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He is also doing the high protein/moderate carbs/low fat ratio... which in my experience is extremely difficult.


Is that what is recommended? because that is how i naturally prefer to eat!
October 26, 2011 4:56 PM
Fast-5.org.

My dad has been doing this for almost 2 years, lost over 60 lbs, and is still going strong.
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October 26, 2011 4:56 PM
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I've been doing lean-gains for the majority of my time here...It works really well for me. However, I take one week off every couple of months and go back to eating meals all day long--(nothing scientific--I'd just like to think it confuses my metabolism...HAHA)

Try it for a couple weeks---worst case, you don't like it/can't do it--you can try something else :)


Haha I do this too, especially while traveling. :D I can't pass by a cafe while I'm fasting and not try something new once in a while.

As for the other misinformation mentioned above, if you took the time to read more about IF, it's forms, not just lean gains, you would understand it fuller, it's not just for weight lifters, I have many non lifting IF friends, they walk and run though... and they do it fasted. ;) Really if you haven't done it..... what's that saying? ;)

@Chris I was eating 2500-3300 everyday while doing my LG bulk on workout days, non workout days 1700, refeed days 5000+ hehehe, those were fun days, so if you were lifting super heavy and hard, I would have made base calories a bit higher I think, seeing as my BMR is close to 2300 for my activity level, I would say 2700 for a man trying to put on mass is too low of a calorie intake.
Edited by Ebbykins On October 26, 2011 4:57 PM
October 26, 2011 4:59 PM
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He is also doing the high protein/moderate carbs/low fat ratio... which in my experience is extremely difficult.


Is that what is recommended? because that is how i naturally prefer to eat!


Actually he doesn't really knock fat whatsoever, at least in my readings, the only things he knocks are people drinking their calories and eating too many nuts. In fact, he told me that he puts peanutbutter and mayo (not at the same time) on his eggs, lol... and he is a hardcore lover of full fat mayo. Add him as a friend on Facebook, he's a cool guy, but he tells it like it is.
Edited by Ebbykins On October 26, 2011 5:00 PM
October 26, 2011 5:26 PM
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He is also doing the high protein/moderate carbs/low fat ratio... which in my experience is extremely difficult.


Is that what is recommended? because that is how i naturally prefer to eat!


Actually he doesn't really knock fat whatsoever, at least in my readings, the only things he knocks are people drinking their calories and eating too many nuts. In fact, he told me that he puts peanutbutter and mayo (not at the same time) on his eggs, lol... and he is a hardcore lover of full fat mayo. Add him as a friend on Facebook, he's a cool guy, but he tells it like it is.


Add who? Martin Berkhan?
October 26, 2011 5:36 PM
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@Chris I was eating 2500-3300 everyday while doing my LG bulk on workout days, non workout days 1700, refeed days 5000+ hehehe, those were fun days, so if you were lifting super heavy and hard, I would have made base calories a bit higher I think, seeing as my BMR is close to 2300 for my activity level, I would say 2700 for a man trying to put on mass is too low of a calorie intake.


Yep, found that out smile I was upping it by 100/cals every 2 weeks if I wasn't gaining enough but as a former fat boy it's still hard mentally sometimes. My body media fit has me at around 2700 maintenance so I was at maintenance off days and +500 on days. When I type that out I realise that that probably wasn't enough. Oh well, gained strength anyway. I had to put the bulk on hold for a bit while injured. I was definitely lifting heavy. Full body, big compound lifts, progressive overload.

I have seen some people do the big swing between on/off days but I can't seem to do it well. I have hit 4000cals once and that was a serious effort! The lower days are no fun though tongue Body seems to handle it better being somewhat consistent.

emmab0902: there is an official leangains fb page now.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Leangains/116211138487297

Be prepared to learn how to eat big if you check it out tongue
October 26, 2011 5:41 PM
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Ebbykins: Was at about 3200 on days and 2700 off for the majority.

swhitney2: so much wrong with what you just said. You do know what is required to lose fat as opposed to weight right?

You should probably have a read of PB67's post.


This is only my opinion based on what I read from the Leangains website. But what I understoood was that this program was for weight training.
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October 26, 2011 5:44 PM
Yeppers Martin Berkhan, I have him on my friends list and so excited about the new LG page. Good luck you Chris and I hope your injury heals nicely so you can do et! :D I actually have learned to love the swing in calories, mostly because I find it a great tool when retaining water weight from training heavy and hard days prior, I also use the rest days as my lower carb days, and that makes for happy. Cyclical eating and IF combined has really helped me. :D
October 26, 2011 5:51 PM
Finally a nice, knowledgeable thread. :) Love reading positive experiences!
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