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November 7, 2011 1:36 PM
I love squash too. Spaghetti, Acorn, Butternut, Zucchini, Yellow, Hubbard, ok.. I like all of them. I've been avoiding them because I thought they weren't a sanctioned veggie. (They don't exactly fall into the cruciferous type.) To me they're one of those kinds of things that fall into comfort foods. I've done some checking on the various 4 hour body forums and unfortunately squash (specifically mentioned is butternut, but also any hard winter squash), has a glycemic index similar to mashed or sweet potatoes so it's one of those things to avoid. That being said... there are recipes for spaghetti squash on a few of the various forums so I'm not sure if it's an exception to the squash rule or what A question that specifically asks for clarification on this hasn't been answered yet so...

This is one of the forums I check periodically:

http://www.4hourdiet.com/2011/04/is-___-allowed-on-the-4-hour-body-diet/

Here is another:

http://www.4hbtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=129&p=788&hilit=is+spaghetti+squash+allowed#p788

Tim says to experiment and for people to find what works for them. His list of things worked for him but they're mostly low glycemic type foods and I would surmise (perhaps incorrectly?) that so long as the food has a low glycemic index, and it's not a "white or can be white" carb, it's probably ok. Whether it's going to allow for optimal results or not is up for personal interpretation. But, all information I've found points to spaghetti squash being either "medium" or "low" on the index. Heck, what's the worst that can happen if you include this nutrient rich food in your diet once in a while, you lose weight slower? I say pass the sauce!!

try cooking it whole in the microwave, just make sure to poke it like you would a potato so it doesn't explode. (I stab it to the heart with a knife and turn just a tiny bit to enlarge for steam.) Zap for 5, check if it's soft, zap longer if need be. Cut in half, scrape seeds and "pull" your pasta. This way you don't get that waterlogged soggy taste cooking in water can sometimes cause.
November 8, 2011 6:45 AM
@candik1 -- i totally agree -- i'm not certain that it is "allowed" on 4HB but i know that i love it and that i'm not going to lose too much sleep over eating another form of vegetable in moderation if it means i'm still avoiding processed foods! yum! :)
November 8, 2011 7:02 AM
i guess i just assumed it was allowed because i had seen so many people posting recipes and discussing it on the 4HB forum. i suppose i should know better than to believe what i see on there. people are always posting recipes with all sorts of things that aren't on the plan.
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November 9, 2011 9:06 AM
I'm down .4 pounds from my post cheat day weight so I'm feeling pretty good today. I've been able to pay closer attention to where I am now that the scale is in the house and I've noticed on days I work, I tend to lose more weight (albeit nominal increments). I had thought I stayed pretty active every day except Sunday (my rest day!), but the scale is telling me otherwise. I think I'm just gonna have to kick it up a notch and do a little more walking on those days.
November 9, 2011 9:12 AM
Good thread. Keep it up!!
November 11, 2011 1:10 PM
*bump*
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November 12, 2011 6:49 AM
Hey have you guys started a group yet? Its a new feature on the site. Hope to see one there.
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November 12, 2011 5:02 PM
It's the eve of cheat day #5 and I think I've hit a plateau. At least my weight hasn't changed at all since my last post cheat day loss. I know I'm still losing inches so I'm not going to let it get me too down. I've been thinking all week of the foods I might want tomorrow and I have a feeling I'm still going to have the same "just can't get into it" thing I've been having every cheat day. I had to make myself eat dinner since I hadn't anything to eat since breakfast. And that was just a protein drink. I'm starting to wonder if I've lost my love of food.....
November 14, 2011 9:43 AM
i'm not sure we get enough traffic here to justify starting a group, but i can do it if you guys are interested :)

edit: i found one here http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/382-4-hour-body
Edited by s00sh On November 14, 2011 9:46 AM
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November 15, 2011 3:00 PM
Bump so I can keep up with you guys! I am a lurker mostly but your links and posts are really inspiring. Thanks!
November 16, 2011 6:42 AM
would you guys be interested in starting a thread on that group page where we all post our favorite recipes or the typical meals/snacks we eat each day?

i'm sure people have posted things in here before, but it tends to get lost in the 40+ pages of stuff. over there we could have one dedicated topic to add new discoveries to. i don't know about anyone else, but i'm always looking for new food ideas.
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November 16, 2011 4:53 PM
Hi everyone, I am in my 3rd week of the SCD. it seems to be working well and as long as im prepared for the week it is pretty easy to stick to :) Im going to join the group too :) These post are all very interesting
November 17, 2011 8:33 AM
It's been a few days since I've checked in here but I'm happy to say the plateau I hit has broken and I'm back on the downward trend. Thank goodness! I was a bit discouraged because my weight hadn't moved all week regardless of what I did. Even though the scale didn't budge, the measurement for fat levels continued to decrease. I knew I was still on track, but it didn't keep me from feeling like I was going no where. Anyway, my post cheat weight was up but I have managed to drop it and another .3 from last weeks low. Not much, I know, but hey it's in the right direction at least! On to week 6...
November 18, 2011 8:14 AM
i've found that my weight fluctuates with this style of eating way more than it ever used to. the post-cheat day weight can be really discouraging for a lot of people. my advice (which i know is hard for most people to take because we're slaves to the scale when trying to lose weight) is to only weigh yourself the morning of your cheat day. if you can break the control the scale has over you, your mental state of well being throughout the week is much better, because you KNOW you're doing the right thing and just assume things are on the right track. most likely your weight numbers every saturday morning will show a downward trend, and you'll know the plan is working without having to stress every day about being up or moving slowly.
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November 21, 2011 1:18 PM
I'm sllllooooooowly getting through the book and still don't feel comfortable going full board on the SCD until I get a better handle on the diet. But I would like to apply some of the techniques he talks about on binging for Thanksgiving day. I'll be working out Thursday morning, and I got some super green foods, yerba mate tea, and some kombucha. Any quick tips on how to prepare?
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November 22, 2011 10:08 AM
It's been awhile since I've checked in. I've just been really busy lately. I'm still making progress although it is a bit slower. At least that's what the scale says. However, my clothes are still getting looser so I'm happy with that. I have drifted away from the pinto, red and black beans and lentils in favor of the canary bean (It's Mayocabo Peruano, not the white kidney bean). What a little powerhouse that one is! It has 12 grams of protein and 15 grams fiber per 1/4 cup dry. A tad more preferable over the 8 or 9 grams of protein the others have and the flavor is mild, buttery and very versatile. I've been making my own version of peruvian bean stew with them minus, (of course!) the rice. With this week being a holiday week. (I'm cooking), I'm going to be off diet. At least on Thursday. Today and tomorrow I'm making croissants. (Plain and Pain au Chocolat)! So forbidden I know but I can't imagine Thanksgiving without them. Tomorrow is for desserts...
November 22, 2011 12:23 PM
Oops. that's Mayocoba Peruano...
November 23, 2011 8:09 AM
hi all! just checking in to see how this holiday week is going for everyone! i lost another .6 pounds in the last week and while i'm hoping this week to continue to lose, i'll be happy just maintaining through thanksgiving tomorrow and the holiday weekend. i've now been on SCD for six months and am down 23 pounds ... i'm 17 pounds from my final goal weight and while i was hoping to be there by the end of the year, i am just so happy that i've found something that continues to work (though slower than i'd like ... mostly because i don't always follow it 100%) and i continue to see a downward trend. this is also the first plan where i find maintanence to be really easy and doable for me, which really is the most important thing to me.

my motivation has changed a little bit, too ... i got engaged last week and now just want to make sure i look super hot in my wedding dress next summer!

have a great thanksgiving!
November 26, 2011 6:52 AM
congratulations on the engagement!

i thought i kept my Thanksgiving cheat day /fairly/ moderate (of course i had to have pumpkin pie!) but the scale told me i'm up 4 pounds this morning. usually i'm about back to normal a day or two later, so i'm feeling kinda depressed.
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November 26, 2011 9:33 AM
@jayseabrown WOOHOO! Congratulations on your engagement! I wish you a tremendous lifetime of happiness and fulfillment!

The holiday was very very busy. It started for me when I got up on Wednesday and except for about 2 hours worth of "nap", it didn't end til after midnight on Thursday. It felt so amazing to sleep in that I didn't even miss doing any of that Black Friday shopping stuff. Anyway, I was down another .5 pounds even after splurging on Thanksgiving. So I'm counting that as something to be grateful for!!! Also, TOM finally arrived it's been a bit weird because I'm getting close to that age. I'm thinking that might have something to do with the weight loss. But who knows right? Not sure what the rest of the weekend holds for me though. I'm kinda off track til Monday. What can I say? I made croissants both plain and chocolate and there's a slew of leftovers in spite of downsizing the quantities I made. Alright, I admit it, I'm a weak girl... sad wink

To help cut down on the baking temptations. (Normally I go into full swing in the kitchen and push out more treats than should be eaten in a year by any large family!) I've decided to host a cookie exchange. That way I'm doing minimal baking and even though there will be a nice variety for the holidays, it won't be in the same quantity. Not sure if the strategy is going to work or not but at least the intent is there right?

Anyway, I hope everyone who celebrated had a wonderful Thanksgiving with bountiful blessings to count and to be counted in the future. Now on to the tough part of the year!
November 30, 2011 7:40 AM
Hi everyone! I am recently trying to get back on track with my weight loss (after going through some tough personal times and being away from MFP and any type of self care at all) and really want to do the 4HB again! I did it for about a month early this year and lost about 10 lbs on it so I am ready for a second round and could use all of the help I can get!
December 19, 2011 8:09 AM
It's been far too long since I've done a check in and I have to admit I've been bad bad bad this month. The holiday season is just too filled with temptations and jam packed with plain busy that I've decided to take the month off. I don't mean that I'll go back to my old eating habits but I'm not going to kick myself in the butt for doing any "quality control" on the goodies I'm expected to turn out from the kitchen either. I have been trying to maintain at least one "on plan" meal a day and keeping the carb count down as low as possible at others but there are times when I'm only eating one meal. I know, it's self defeating to do this but so far, I'm not really up or down any weight change so I think I'm at least keeping the status quo. I do fully intend to return to the full 4HB after the holidays and maintain it until I reach my goal. Anyone else struggling this time of year?
January 9, 2012 10:11 AM
hi all!

i haven't posted on here for a while, but am still doing a modified version of the 4HB. maintaining my weight right now. but my waist has shrunk nearly an extra inch due to the daily sit-ups i've started doing again.

saw this article today & thought you folks might love it. in case the link goes dead, the premise is that weight is no measurement of health. it's the body fat index that matters. so before you give up on discouragement from not seeing your scale go down - check this out:

http://www.mydailymoment.com/index.php?view=article&catid=56&id=2179&tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=&option=com_content


Best parts:

"The best advice you'll ever hear in regard to weight management is throw away your scale. The focus, or obsession, on weight is the very reason why most people fail. It's misguided and dangerous. The focus on weight began back in the 1950's when the definition of appropriate weight was simple. Your weight was compared against the ideal weight tables developed by the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company.

That insurance company designed a height weight chart based upon the average American citizen. If your actual weight was 20 percent or more above the table weight, then you were considered obese. If it was 10 percent under, you were underweight. Today, however, the term ideal weight is irrelevant.{relatedarticles}

The original weight table standards were designed for insurance purposes, not as guides for nutrition and fitness. These tables never considered body composition. In other words, they make no distinction between lean body weight and fat body weight. Most world-class bodybuilders (usually less than 8 percent body-fat) would be categorized as obese by the original weight tables.

As an example, consider these two characters: Jay Cutler (a professional bodybuilder) and Fat Albert. Both are 5'9," both weigh 265 lbs. and let's say that both of them are 32 years old. (These are the real statistics for Jay.) Using the old ideal weight chart designed by the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, we find that both of these men are clinically obese.

In reality, Fat Albert really is obese while Jay Cutler is one of the healthiest people on the planet. The error is that the height weight chart doesn't account for differences in body composition; it only measures weight. Therefore, without taking lean body weight vs. fat body weight into account, it's impossible for the bathroom scale to tell you if you're at your ideal body weight or not. More importantly, when you do begin to lose weight fast the scale will never be able to tell you if you're experiencing fat loss or muscle loss."
February 15, 2012 12:27 PM
hey, guys.

new to mfp, trying to create some community. i know this thread has been dead for a few months, but i'm starting 4HB and thought this would be more helpful that some other forums, where everyone is obsessing over calories and stuff.

i'm new-ish to 4HB, but have been eating mostly paleo for the last few years, so it's not a huge departure.

um...i guess that's it, for now.

'kay, bye!
February 22, 2012 10:11 PM
Hey All!

I'm another 4HB Newb! Not new to MFP but my husband has decided to try the 4HB way of life and I'm hopping on for the ride! I was hoping to find a good community of MFPers also going down this road. So much so that I read through this entire thread...I'm a little disappointed that it died off! Maybe we can get it going again - everyone was so supportive and had such great ideas.

I started last Sunday so I'm just finishing up my 4th day of the SCD way of eating and I must say I'm truly enjoying this! I've been "dieting" for most of my life (ever since I was 10) and this is the first time that I've felt this good this early. I've also really enjoyed reading everyone's stories and how this has changed their lives, their way of thinking about food, etc. And while I'm looking forward to finally (hopefully!) getting down to my goal weight, I'm looking forward to this change in my outlook even more.

Hope we can get this motivating community of 4HB/SCD going again!
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