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June 8, 2011 12:34 PM
I recently heard about two diets - the Dukan diet and the Paleo diet. Both are based (somewhat) on the same premise of consuming LOTS of protein and almost no processed starch. I don't think that either would suit me based on what I've read but wonder if anyone has tried them. Thoughts, anyone?
June 8, 2011 12:38 PM
I tried the Dukan Diet for a week. Epic failure. I need some carbs to maintain civil relationships. I lost, but the minute I started eating like a regular person, it came right back.
June 8, 2011 12:39 PM
ive just started dukan diet today for the second time , last time i tried it i got bored with food choices but im trying to look up recipies this time to make it more interesting , last time i lost 10lbs in 7 days fingers crossed this time i will stick to it ,
June 8, 2011 12:39 PM
It's really pretty simple to do once you get past the craving for sugars and starches. Takes about a month before you stop missing grains and starches. I'm doing sort-of Paleo - I don't agree with the elimination of dairy, so that makes me more Primal Blueprint than Paleo.

If you just cut the starchy vegetables back to an occasional use, then you should do fine. All I know is that by eliminating grains and starches from my diet, I have almost completely rid myself of Type 2 adult-onset diabetes.
  7780916
June 8, 2011 12:41 PM
Like most fad diets they seem to work at first, but when you return to eating normally, much of the weight comes back on. Do yourself a favor, weight loss is based on calories vs. calories out. Stick to the calories that MFP says you should have and the weight loss will happen - and you get to eat the foods you want during the process!

Good luck.
June 8, 2011 12:45 PM
I don’t know about the Dukan diet but the Paleo diet is something I’m familiar with. I don’t know what “LOTS” of protein means to you, but on the paleo you are encouraged to eat more protein than what most diets recommend. But nothing way out there, 1g of protein give or take per pound of lean body mass. The processed carbs is right, you should cut out as much processed carbs as you can, no matter the diet you are on really. I would encourage you to pick up a copy of Primal Blue print and read it, instead of rely on what others have “told” you. There is a lot of misinformation out there from people that have never been on it or for some reason think you will be killing yourself if you eat the way your body was designed to function, lean meats, vegetables, berries, fruits, and nuts, and not on “foods” that have been invented by man to be cheap and store forever.
June 8, 2011 12:48 PM
Wow while I was typing my fist response there is already the, if you go back to eating like a regular person crowd out. Really? Look around you at the “regular” person, you want to be them? I want to be the un-regular person, how about you?
June 8, 2011 1:03 PM
I'm eating based on the hunter-gatherer/paleo guidelines (my diary is open if you want to look at it). What I like best about it is the sustainability of eating this way ... no going back to eating 'normally'. Not sure what 'normally' means exactly ... likely varies from person to person.

Anyway, I've never felt better, have plenty of energy, don't have the late afternoon gnaw-my-arm-off-I'm-so-hungry cravings like I used to.

I don't know anything about the Dukan diet other than what I've read in the media.
  5597377
June 8, 2011 1:38 PM
QUOTE:

Do yourself a favor, weight loss is based on calories vs. calories out.
Good luck.


But health and body composition are not.
June 8, 2011 1:42 PM
Well Kat Middleton's mother and JLO do the diet ----- so of course it's FAB!

_____ LOL joking seriously the Dukan diet ... I tried of course before and several -- no most of my friends are doing it ... it's basically a high-protein, low-carb, and low-fat, with 4 “phases”:

Phase 1The first phase is protein only for up to 10 days to get into ketosis, then you alternate pure protein one day, protein and vegetables the next day until you lose the weight you want to lose, then you gradually reintroduce other food.

Phase 2 Alternate days of protein only and protein plus vegetables (almost paleo/primal).

Phase 3 Gradually re-introduce “forbidden” foods – apparently this generally includes one fruit and two slices of whole grain bread per day, one serving of carbs per week (e.g. pasta), and two cheat meals (they call it “celebration meals”) per week.

Phase 4Anything goes as long as you do the following: eat 3 Tbsp of oat bran per day, have one all-protein day per week, walk 20 minutes a day and avoid all elevators/escalators. (At least he recognizes the importance of walking..)

While this diet may be a jumpstart towards the right direction ... and he does make walking important ...
What I don't agree with ...

- this diet tells your to avoid all fat, even fat naturally occuring in nature
- it belittles vegetables in the first stages, yet tells you to eat oat bran ... this is beyond me. Isn't it better to get that fiber from vegetables?
- You can only have meat, fat-free dairy, and sugar-free gelatin and oat bran in the first stage, which causes stomach problems and constipaton ... the oat bran is suppose to help, but believe it doesn't. It only expands the stomach makes you feel full for a little while, you get bloated ... then hungry again ...Fat actually helps ...
- cycle eating ... what the fk for do you need to have veg then protein days ... Primal lifestyle has been much more easier for me to maintain ... why does eating have to be complicated? eat good clean natural REAL food as God made it ... avoid the crap, move around, play have fun then rest ... no need for gimicky diets or phases or pills or whatever else crap they tell us to eat
- the main purpose of Dukan is to lose weight ... Primal or Paleo is a lifestyle change ... plus after completing the phases you go back to eating the same crap ... so what's the point then here? Lose a few, eat crap again then gain it back? Dukan is clearly a DIE-T! Not a long term solution!
- And the cookie cutter 1200 cal like the 17 day diet ... well that isn't for everyone ... that's starvation mode for real! I know I did it for a month and I was always hungry
- It doesn't address inflammation, Omega-6, SFA vs PUFA, Grains, Lectins, Phytates or fructose like Paleo or Primal does ...
- With Dukan you are allowed and encouraged to eat modern covienence crap ... and slide by metabolism hacks to lose weight while Paleo you eat natural for optimal health ...
- The- It also doesn't address the fact that us French were conspicuously missing from Ancel Keys' study which is why they are a paradox
- dukan encourages low fat ... so we all should know low fat foods have unnatural crap put in them to replace the fat, which is worse for our health then the fat
- the amound of protein on the diet you need to eat is unrealistic. No one can eat that much ... low carb and fat and high protein isn't realistic unless you hunt rabbit or eat only bison or fish and are really a carnivore ... and I think most ppl are not. Low carb, mod protein and higher or moderate fat is more sustainable
  4272339
June 8, 2011 2:56 PM
QUOTE:

Wow while I was typing my fist response there is already the, if you go back to eating like a regular person crowd out. Really? Look around you at the “regular” person, you want to be them? I want to be the un-regular person, how about you?


LOL!!!! That's funny! Yeah, I'm an "un-regular" person too - mainly primal. To me, just like a previous poster stated, I find it more doable b/c of the dairy, which I do consume a lot of. But this is not a diet. It is a lifestyle.
  3774372
June 8, 2011 2:56 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

Do yourself a favor, weight loss is based on calories vs. calories out.
Good luck.


But health and body composition are not.


YES!!! Excellent points.
  3774372
June 8, 2011 8:48 PM
I went on the paleo diet because it is close to the way I have to eat anyway.. I have celiac's disease which means I cannot have anything made with wheat ,barley or rye or gluten,, along with a huge list of food sensitivites which includes dairy, all grains, highly processed sugars and oils.. paelo makes sense for me , it is not a diet that I go on for a few weeks ,loose weight and then go back off of..it is a lifestyle. I have been doing it for 3 weeks and have lost 12 lbs .. I "dieted" for over a year and lost nothing.. there will be no going back to eating like a normal person.. it's not possible for me because of my health issues. but any diet you choose whatever it may be, if you want long term results has to become a permanant change or you will gain everything back that you lost. what is the point of doing a diet only to loose a few unwanted pounds and then return to the same crappy lifestyle that made you fat and unhappy in the first place.. doesn't make sense.
June 8, 2011 10:01 PM
We sure have gone off the rails when eating whole, unprocessed food is considered a "fad" diet.

I don't know from Dukan but Paleo/Primal eating plans are not a "fad". They're both very healthy ways of eating.
Carbs included. Just not grains and legumes and with Paleo, no dairy.

As for eating LOTS of protein ... I don't see people eating any LESS protein that also eat grains. Not sure what this is all about.
Edited by katschi On June 8, 2011 10:11 PM
June 10, 2011 6:28 AM
I'm 100% for these kind of diets. I have had amazing success since I switched over to Primal (even with a couple of weekends when I let loose). This type of diet has done more for my anxiety, my belly (flattest it has ever been), my health, my body composition, my energy levels, etc.

6 months "normal" dieting: 9.6 lbs (constant hunger and shakiness); 6 weeks of Primal: 6.8lbs. - body fat (so much less hunger and no more shakes from blood sugar crashes). Giving up grains, legumes, milk (not all dairy), flours and sugars was the best thing I have done in my life. I have two diabetics in my immediate family (my dad is dying from it). I WILL NOT be the third.

To me the "normal" way we lose weight is not sustainable - great for loss of numbers on the scale, though. Paleo/Primal - you can do this for life and never have to worry about overeating and calorie counting again.

This is just my opinion and my personal experience. I don't push this on anyone.
Edited by hpsnickers1 On June 10, 2011 6:31 AM
June 12, 2011 8:13 AM
I'm having the same experience and after falling off paleo for a couple of weeks recently and experiencing all the negatives I'm certain that for me, this is the best way to eat. Just wondering what dairy you do. I've still been eating about a cup of plain greek yogurt a day and that doesn't seem to cause any kind of insulin response at all. I'd also like to have a little cheese along the way too. Are you still eating cheese and if so, what kinds? Thanks!
June 12, 2011 2:43 PM
QUOTE:

I'm having the same experience and after falling off paleo for a couple of weeks recently and experiencing all the negatives I'm certain that for me, this is the best way to eat. Just wondering what dairy you do. I've still been eating about a cup of plain greek yogurt a day and that doesn't seem to cause any kind of insulin response at all. I'd also like to have a little cheese along the way too. Are you still eating cheese and if so, what kinds? Thanks!


Greek yogurt for mr, some cheese here and there, type depends on what I'm eating it with, mostly cheddar though
June 12, 2011 4:01 PM
I was going to try the Dukan diet...but it is impossible for me to eat that little amount of carbs!! Instead I did the Rosemary Conley lose a stone in a month diet and it was pretty effective!!
June 12, 2011 5:26 PM
QUOTE:

I'm having the same experience and after falling off paleo for a couple of weeks recently and experiencing all the negatives I'm certain that for me, this is the best way to eat. Just wondering what dairy you do. I've still been eating about a cup of plain greek yogurt a day and that doesn't seem to cause any kind of insulin response at all. I'd also like to have a little cheese along the way too. Are you still eating cheese and if so, what kinds? Thanks!


Rarely I'll have a piece of cheese, and occasionally greek yogurt--works out to about a cup a week (in smoothies with coconut cream/milk).
  5597377
June 13, 2011 4:32 AM
QUOTE:

We sure have gone off the rails when eating whole, unprocessed food is considered a "fad" diet.

I don't know from Dukan but Paleo/Primal eating plans are not a "fad". They're both very healthy ways of eating.
Carbs included. Just not grains and legumes and with Paleo, no dairy.

As for eating LOTS of protein ... I don't see people eating any LESS protein that also eat grains. Not sure what this is all about.


How is >Dukan healthy, if you go back to eating the crap they intitally say in pahse 1 to avoid?
  4272339
June 13, 2011 6:11 AM
QUOTE:

Wow while I was typing my fist response there is already the, if you go back to eating like a regular person crowd out. Really? Look around you at the “regular” person, you want to be them? I want to be the un-regular person, how about you?


I know right? You could use that argument for any diet ever. If eating "normal" or like a "regular person" means eating lot's of sugar and bread,pasta,muffins,Soda,double cheeseburgers, french fries, than yes, you will gain the weight back. That's how most of us got fat in the first place.
  6481598
June 13, 2011 6:38 AM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

QUOTE:

Do yourself a favor, weight loss is based on calories vs. calories out.
Good luck.


But health and body composition are not.


YES!!! Excellent points.


I second that.

For example...you burn 600cal doing an hour and a half on the treadmill...I burn 240cal doing 30 minutes of intervals. Who will be the one spiking their metabolism and convincing their body to release hormones that help it shed fat for hours or more after?

I eat steak, chicken, and fish...you eat McDonald's, Taco Bell, and Jack in the Box...we're both well within our calorie 'limits'. Who is going to lose weight, and remain lean and healthy?

Nothing is ever that simple, and properly fueling your body isn't something to try to simplify to that level.
Edited by crisanderson27 On June 13, 2011 6:40 AM
  7434194
June 14, 2011 2:28 PM
QUOTE:

QUOTE:

QUOTE:

QUOTE:

Do yourself a favor, weight loss is based on calories vs. calories out.
Good luck.


But health and body composition are not.


YES!!! Excellent points.


I second that.

For example...you burn 600cal doing an hour and a half on the treadmill...I burn 240cal doing 30 minutes of intervals. Who will be the one spiking their metabolism and convincing their body to release hormones that help it shed fat for hours or more after?

I eat steak, chicken, and fish...you eat McDonald's, Taco Bell, and Jack in the Box...we're both well within our calorie 'limits'. Who is going to lose weight, and remain lean and healthy?

Nothing is ever that simple, and properly fueling your body isn't something to try to simplify to that level.


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