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January 1, 2014 4:47 AM
I came across the venus factor and being a woman who struggles to lose weight i got intrigued. I have been trying desperately trying to find independent info but all i get are links to purchase. Surely someone out there can give me an opinion without trying to sell me anything.

According to the promo vidz out there: hundreds of women have done it yet i can't find any reviews that aren't from the sellers. Every review has a link to purchase which makes me skeptical.

I decided to look more into people who have posted on MFP and what do you know?...if you look at the post they have written its like they are professional marketers. It makes my blood boil that people are so dishonest.

My advise is look at the comments and posts for yourself of the people who comment and if that's all they post about then don't believe the hype. One of the posters had links to several diet programs with purchase links. its insane and its annoying. Another one was from a male who set up a profile saying in the description that they use the program (another telling sign) however why?? the program is specificallly for women. Oh and moslty they dont' have pics. grrr

So if you are going to post about it just remember, we are not a stupid as you believe. It easy to see that you are not for real.

my rant over

happy new year :)
January 1, 2014 4:56 AM
I don't know what the Venus factor is, but I'm assuming it's one of the other 9 million ways to try and get your money. Instead of looking for different plans try the cheapest and easiest to follow.

1. Log your calories on here - FREE
2. Do some research (go read this again FREE) - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
3. Learn portion control (Might require buying a digital scale)
4. Find an activity you enjoy that gets you moving (Can be free)
  35000606
January 1, 2014 6:12 AM
It's crap. The basic strategy outlined by MFP works, there's no need for a heavily marketed diet plan.

Here's another thread on the subject:

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1042824-venus-factor-info-please
January 1, 2014 6:40 AM
I'd never heard of Venus Factor until a few months ago. I agree, looking at their site at first glance, that it seems a bit like a marketing ploy. Something about the layout / write-ups / supplement ads makes alarm bells go off. I also found a lack of seemingly neutral online reviews.

However, VF was recommended by a good friend I've know my whole life, who is also a medical doctor. In fact, he paid for my subscription as a sort of early Christmas gift, so he was definitely not trying to sell me anything.

I've been on it since late November, and it seems to work. Behind all the hype is alot of scientific information. What you pay for are actually e-books presented as PDF files. If you want to do the whole thing, there's hundreds of pages of reading you could do. (And just ignore the supplement ads).

If you use VP, you have to use something like MFP anyway, since it doesn't have a built-in calorie counter.

It's stricter than MFP. For a petite woman (I'm 5'1"), MFP gives me a target of 1,200 calories net a day - and that takes into account exercise. VF has an "undulating" program in which some days I eat at a deficit (1,000 calories) and other days I eat at maintenance (1,600 calories). That's total calories -- you don't get to "deduct" for exercise. It also has me at a greater protein level than MFP. I now aim at 75 grams a day.

VF comes with a pretty good exercise program. It is mostly strength / weight training, formulated for women, and done three times a week. As a former runner / yoga-doer, I'd never done any weights before, and I'm surprised that I like it. VF has instructional videos on all the moves. So I do weights 3 x a week, and cardio 2-3 x a week.

In 5 weeks, I haven't lost that much weight -- only about 5 lbs. (To be fair to VF, though, I didn't follow the program exactly through the holidays). However, I've lost 4" off my waist. I presume that, with the extra protein and weights, I'm actually putting on muscle while losing fat, which is why the number on the scale is not falling rapidly, though my body looks very different.

Of course, you don't have to use VF. You could just go a bit below your MFP calorie count, increase protein, and find another way of motivating yourself to do strength training. But, so far, it's working for me. I'll let you know the results when I finish the first 12-week VF cycle.

Good luck to everyone in 2014!
  53500945
January 1, 2014 3:54 PM
thanks for your replies

def keep us updated on your progress joyce

I am wondering as i do have a cronic back issue (discs) which has set me back as far as workouts go, can you give me an idea of the type of exercises they do?
cheers
January 1, 2014 3:59 PM
Venus factor is complicated and VERY expensive.

You can get better and more individualized support and advice here, for free. You just have to be willing to do the work.

I would advise starting with the group "Eat, Train, Progress"
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/10118-eat-train-progress

It's run by two of the most knowledgeable people here, and they do it for $0. Can't beat that with a stick!
  20711900
January 1, 2014 10:21 PM
VF costs about US $50 for a 12-week program - though, as they are PDF files of e-books, you can stretch it as long as you like.
For example, they have you doing a different workout 3 x per week x 12 weeks = 36 workouts.
But I was so new to that kind of exercise that I would repeat each workout 2 or 3 times. So it will probably take me 5 or 6 months to get through the program instead of the normal 3 months.
Same with the diet - you can repeat it as many times as you want.

VF has other more advanced programs that you can add on -- but I probably won't for now. The 12-week program is enough for me for the next several months.

Actually, I found Weight Watchers expensive. It's $30 as a one-off payment, plus $19 every month. That's almost $90 for the first three months, which is more than VF. And WW doesn't include much exercise. Plus, it's website is always down!

I think people need to find what works for them in terms of lifestyle, cost, time and effort.

Personally, I find VF motivating and I don't mind the cost. But I won't judge whether others think it's expensive. There's tons of free resources out there, as well as much more expensive programs, too.
  53500945
January 1, 2014 10:24 PM
garbage. don't.
  17170557
January 1, 2014 10:27 PM
Well, you can definitely do the diet part. VF pretty clearly distinguish that diet is for fat loss, exercise is for shaping. So, if you're mostly looking to just take weight off, you would focus on the diet.

I'd be careful about the back. While I like the workouts, I find they're a bit tough on my knees. I've modified one of the moves to make it easier for me.

It's a pretty elaborate system that I can't reprint entirely here. But here are some sample exercises:

Without weights: push-ups, plank, lunges, squats, dips (where you hold on to an exercise bench behind you and squat down) and "t-bends", which are like what ice skaters do when they balance on one leg.

With hand weights: Presses, curls, dumbell rows, raises

There's been a tiny bit of work with an exercise ball, but not much. There's no cardio -- you have to add that yourself.

Hope that helps!
  53500945
January 1, 2014 10:31 PM
QUOTE:

thanks for your replies

def keep us updated on your progress joyce

I am wondering as i do have a cronic back issue (discs) which has set me back as far as workouts go, can you give me an idea of the type of exercises they do?
cheers


If you have chronic back issues, maybe you should ask your doctor or a trainer before you do any new exercise? Never mind VF -- no system will help you if you get hurt.

My back is fine - but when I was heavily pregnant, I found that working out in a pool was really easy on my joints.
  53500945
January 2, 2014 8:21 AM
QUOTE:

According to the promo vidz out there: hundreds of women have done it

The sellers must be hundredaires by now.
  33156682
January 2, 2014 8:24 AM
QUOTE:

Venus factor is complicated and VERY expensive.

You can get better and more individualized support and advice here, for free. You just have to be willing to do the work.

I would advise starting with the group "Eat, Train, Progress"
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/10118-eat-train-progress

It's run by two of the most knowledgeable people here, and they do it for $0. Can't beat that with a stick!

This.
  16691827
January 2, 2014 8:36 AM
Exercise and weight loss are so much simpler than these assholes make it out to be. They are in business and making all the money they make, because of ignorance (and that's not a judgment on my part, but it's the general ignorance and confusion about these things that keeps these guys in business).

Tell you what, a MUCH better and cheaper approach is to read New Rules of Lifting for Women. And it doesn't promise you **** or miracles... just give you basic information on the fundamentals. If you've been struggling with weight loss and all that, you should know more about this stuff by now.

I can't recommend the book highly enough. It'll get you started with some solid info so you don't need to be confused about stuff like this. And it's a book... like $15 on amazon or something.

http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Rules-Lifting-Women/dp/1583333398
Edited by FrnkLft On January 2, 2014 8:44 AM
January 2, 2014 8:43 AM
QUOTE:

Tell you what, a MUCH better book and program is New Rules of Lifting for Women. And it doesn't promise you ****... just give you basic information on the fundamentals. If you've been struggling with weight loss and all that, you should know more about this stuff by now.

I can't recommend the book highly enough. It'll get you started with some solid info so you don't need to be confused about stuff like this. And it's a book... like $15 on amazon or something.


Don't shy away from the other NROL books that aren't women-specific, either. New Rules for Life is really good- it includes modifications you can make for every exercise to accommodates any injuries, weaknesses or whatever reason you might not be able to get through a program.

NROLFW is a really good program, but I personally find it too complicated for my taste for the average beginner. I prefer the Stronglifts Program, but reading NROL is absolutely invaluable information.
  20711900
January 2, 2014 10:04 AM
QUOTE:

I found Weight Watchers expensive. It's $30 as a one-off payment, plus $19 every month. That's almost $90 for the first three months, which is more than VF.

IOW, Our crap is less expensive than their crap.

Keep digging away. You're doing great!
January 2, 2014 10:41 AM
Oh my god, how are we still talking about this. There are books on the market, that are not bull****, that cost maybe $15-$20 bucks and give you legitimate advice about the fundamentals. The rest is just details and preference.

There are no miracles in exercise, no "special" workouts to get you "xyz" results. Unless you have a condition, it's really all the same.

Here:

Diet = Loose/Maintain/Gain Fat and/or Muscle (calories in vs. calories out)
Cardio = VERY time efficient way to burn calories + cardiovascular health and conditioning
HIIT Cardio = MOST time efficient way to burn calories when done with high intensity + cardio vascular health and conditioning
Lifting Heavy Weight = Still a good way to burn calories + gain strength, preserve/build muscle mass

Bodyfat % = ratio of fat to lean mass (lean mass is everything else including muscle)

How and where you loose/gain fat has to do with genetics, no such thing as spot reduction. First to gain, last to loose. Eat a healthy defecit (1-2 lbs loss per month) to lower your bodyfat %. Exercise can help you burn calories.

That is IT. Anything more or less is just little details or preference (if it's valid at all), and most of it isn't so important that it warrants your attention anyway.
January 2, 2014 10:49 AM
QUOTE:

Venus factor is complicated and VERY expensive.

You can get better and more individualized support and advice here, for free. You just have to be willing to do the work.

I would advise starting with the group "Eat, Train, Progress"
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/10118-eat-train-progress

It's run by two of the most knowledgeable people here, and they do it for $0. Can't beat that with a stick!


+1
  5239980
January 2, 2014 10:51 AM
QUOTE:

I came across the venus factor and being a woman who struggles to lose weight i got intrigued. I have been trying desperately trying to find independent info but all i get are links to purchase. Surely someone out there can give me an opinion without trying to sell me anything.

According to the promo vidz out there: hundreds of women have done it yet i can't find any reviews that aren't from the sellers. Every review has a link to purchase which makes me skeptical.

I decided to look more into people who have posted on MFP and what do you know?...if you look at the post they have written its like they are professional marketers. It makes my blood boil that people are so dishonest.

My advise is look at the comments and posts for yourself of the people who comment and if that's all they post about then don't believe the hype. One of the posters had links to several diet programs with purchase links. its insane and its annoying. Another one was from a male who set up a profile saying in the description that they use the program (another telling sign) however why?? the program is specificallly for women. Oh and moslty they dont' have pics. grrr

So if you are going to post about it just remember, we are not a stupid as you believe. It easy to see that you are not for real.

my rant over

happy new year :)


Without knowing anything about the program just real life and common sense, this bolded part is a very, very bad $ign.
January 2, 2014 11:08 AM
If it's setting off alarm bells and you can't find any neutral reviews, it is one of the gajillions of weight loss ploys/gimmicks out there that try to repackage calorie deficit + exercise in a shiny "new" way that you throw money at.

Save your money and forget about it IMO.
  24927806
January 2, 2014 11:57 AM
QUOTE:

Oh my god, how are we still talking about this. There are books on the market, that are not bull****, that cost maybe $15-$20 bucks and give you legitimate advice about the fundamentals. The rest is just details and preference.

There are no miracles in exercise, no "special" workouts to get you "xyz" results. Unless you have a condition, it's really all the same.

Here:

Diet = Loose/Maintain/Gain Fat and/or Muscle (calories in vs. calories out)
Cardio = VERY time efficient way to burn calories + cardiovascular health and conditioning
HIIT Cardio = MOST time efficient way to burn calories when done with high intensity + cardio vascular health and conditioning
Lifting Heavy Weight = Still a good way to burn calories + gain strength, preserve/build muscle mass

Bodyfat % = ratio of fat to lean mass (lean mass is everything else including muscle)

How and where you loose/gain fat has to do with genetics, no such thing as spot reduction. First to gain, last to loose. Eat a healthy defecit (1-2 lbs loss per month) to lower your bodyfat %. Exercise can help you burn calories.

That is IT. Anything more or less is just little details or preference (if it's valid at all), and most of it isn't so important that it warrants your attention anyway.


Wow. Maybe decaf?
  914777
January 2, 2014 5:45 PM
QUOTE:

Well, you can definitely do the diet part. VF pretty clearly distinguish that diet is for fat loss, exercise is for shaping. So, if you're mostly looking to just take weight off, you would focus on the diet.

I'd be careful about the back. While I like the workouts, I find they're a bit tough on my knees. I've modified one of the moves to make it easier for me.

It's a pretty elaborate system that I can't reprint entirely here. But here are some sample exercises:

Without weights: push-ups, plank, lunges, squats, dips (where you hold on to an exercise bench behind you and squat down) and "t-bends", which are like what ice skaters do when they balance on one leg.

With hand weights: Presses, curls, dumbell rows, raises

There's been a tiny bit of work with an exercise ball, but not much. There's no cardio -- you have to add that yourself.

Hope that helps!


Thank you to everyone for your responses....a lot can happen overnight LOL

re the above i was pretty much doing the above as i was doing boot camp training and lots of burpies as well as push-ups, plank, lunges, squats, and going to the gym and doing the weights when my back injury started and my world came crashing down.
I am slowly incorporating walking, some squats and lunges with great success so hopeful that I will get some results.
As for the suggestion of using the pool that is an excellent idea and on the cards

I agree with everyone, The Venus Factor is marketing hype and common sense eating and using your muscles always works the best.

cheers :)
January 3, 2014 9:56 AM
This is the perfect time to start. I struggled so long with weight loss before finally deciding to stick to and follow a program. The Venus Factor was a real kickstarter and I actually started losing some serious weight. I have now actually completed the twelve weeks, so I think I have a pretty good idea of what it is all about.

For me personally, splashing out on a complete program including diet and exercise regime gave me the kick in the teeth I needed to get started losing weight. I was a complete beginner to exercise in general, so I thought it was the best choice for me. Here is a couple of reviews written by actual users I have had the pleasure to meet in person venusfactortruth.com and bespokeweightloss.com/venus-factor-review and if you have any questions you can message me or what not :)
January 10, 2014 12:20 AM
The review websites are just there to sell you into the program without really telling you any details. I personally bought the program and I've been working with it to see amazing results, if you have any questions about the program's details that I can answer feel free to add me and ask away, this might not be the program for you.. or it might be the best thing you've ever come across. Do your homework first.. but make sure you read from the right book.
May 13, 2014 3:00 AM
Hi. Just wanted to say that I am using the Venus Factor and I find it very useful. It only cost $47 and that includes lifetime membership of their community which is worth the money alone. I have made quite a few friends there and get some great advice as well. You also get an extensive library of exercises on video and information about dieting. So it is not a scam and I can't understand why people are complaining. Just don't search for information on Google as all those websites are marketing hype. I found out about it on forums and then decided by myself. By the way I found information about the Venus Factor on the medical website Webmd and simply searched for Venus Factor in their Diet Community. In summary, I am using the program and I really like it and it works for me.
May 13, 2014 4:15 AM
How much weight have you lost and in what timescale?
  40365954

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