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July 25, 2013 12:46 PM
Hello,

I am a vegetarian and I would like to provide the following advice:

1. Contact your doctor about setting you up with a nutritionist to review your meal plan and provide you so ideas to help you balance your diet safely.

2. Although you may get enough of vital nutrients you may go see your doctor to check for vitamin D deficiency routinely (I had to start taking vitamin D supplements - prescribed).

3. Vegetables and fruit raise other urges so you must avoid sweets or minimize the intake.

4. Get some good recipe books from various cultures; especially Indian cuisine. Variety adds spice and Indian food is great for flavor and they have a substantial amount of vegetarian dishes to choose from.

5. Most important, enjoy it and realize the benefits of going green

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July 25, 2013 12:47 PM
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She probably lost a lot of lean muscle mass. Just keep that in mind when you seek out vegetarian protein sources.

You can get proteins from vegetables but vegetarians eat eggs and cheese which provides a good amount of protein. Also, the amount of cheese is monitored so it does not become counter productive.
July 25, 2013 12:52 PM
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My sister in law is vegan and she has lost a lot of weight by just changing her eatting habits. I figure they make a veggie subsitute for just about everything so I think I will try it.

I don't know if I'll be able to do it on a perminnante basis but it wouldn't be a bad idea to change out meat for veggies right?


you only want to eat those subs rarely. they are also very high in soy which can mess with women because of something to do with extra estrogen.

so proceed with caution. Beans and rice are a perfect protein and full of vitamins and if you like ethnic you can make some very healthy Thai and indian dishes with Paneer cheese. Egg whites are also very good to keep in for protein. you do need to make sure you're getting enough protein every day.
July 25, 2013 12:56 PM
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I've experienced that people who go vegetarian just to lose weight usually fail. You need to have the heart and passion that animal rights activist usually have, or else you won't be able to resist bacon.


all you have to do to get that passion is to watch a few behind the scenes things at processing plants imho.

I haven't eaten pork or cow or anything red meat like in 25 years.

I eat poultry now. I'd eat fish but I am allergic to shellfish so it makes me nervous to eat anything from the sea because of cross contamination. I don't like the way poultry is treated either but I do think birds have a lesser awareness than other critters. Especially turkey. I try to only buy 4 and 5 step poultry.

I'll never be able to eat mammals again. they are aware. they are smart.

(and I am on a low carb high protein diet) LOL
July 25, 2013 1:29 PM
I am a ovo-lacto-vegatarian (meaning: i eat eggs and dairy - animal by-products - but not actual meat) 5 days a week. Coupled with going gluten free after recognizing my intolerance to that about 1.5 years ago, I can say I've never felt better.

I say, eliminate meat for a while and see how you feel. Want to go back to meat? Do it! Want to stay veg? Do it! Whatever makes you happy, feel good/healthy. Good luck!
July 25, 2013 7:43 PM
According to my vegan friend I am a Flexitarian....haven't even googled it so I am not sure what that all entails. But I started out by doing a meatless Monday for a few months for my family. It worked well ...now I do it several times a week.

I don't actively seek out meat or meat products unless I am sensing my body wants something. Usually it is iron based which tells me red meat ...with lots of spinach. ( per my cycle which makes sense, as iron loss occurs). The meat is the side in meals for my family. The vegetables, fruit, beans, grains come first then the meat.

My suggestion is try a meatless Monday ...see how you feel....as others have suggested find an alternate protein source to make sure you get all the protein and fuel yourself well. : )
  43364222
July 25, 2013 10:08 PM
Don't go vegetarian or vegan for the possibility of losing weight. That magical vegetarian weightloss skipped over me, when when I was vegan for a period of time I did not lose any weight.
  3622766
July 25, 2013 10:15 PM
You'll have no problem with protein if you decide to go vegetarian. There are lots of non-meat sources of protein, so don't let anyone scare you. There are lots of vegan bodybuilders and athletes out there, so no issue. Personally, I'm pescatarian because I'm not a big fan of legumes or tofu. I prefer to get my protein from fish, and I haven't seen any evidence to say that fish is unhealthy in any way, other than the giant predator fish that are full of mercury.

Please remember that vegetarian substitutions for meat products aren't always healthy. Those pre-packaged veggie burgers, "chicken" breasts made out of TVP, etc are not any healthier than meat IMHO. They are still processed crap. You'll still need to take the time to make your own food if you truly want to be healthy.
  26967075
July 25, 2013 10:26 PM
I also wanted to say that people seem to harp on protein all the time. But I have never heard of anyone being protein deficient in Canada where I live. Unless you are going out of your way to avoid protein, you should be fine unless you are an endurance athlete (like me) or bodybuilder. Keep in mind that you get protein from more sources than meat, fish, tofu and legumes. You even get 5g of protein from eating a slice of bread, a cup of corn, or a cup of brown rice.

The usual suggestion is about 0.8g of protein per kg of body weight, so someone who weighs 150lbs needs a minimum of 54g and a maximum of 68g of protein per day. Most of us easily hit that number and even more of us go way, way over.

Harvard School of Public Health - How Much Protein Do I Need?
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/protein-questions/#howmuch
  26967075
July 25, 2013 10:35 PM
A lot of the mock meats are high carb (and sodium as stated above). I have been vegetarian for 3 1/2 years & I absolutely love it. I also lost about 12 pounds initially, then nothing. I've recently cut back on cheese significantly due to the high calorie & fat content. You can eat waaaaay more vegetables than meat!
  41476269
July 25, 2013 10:41 PM
really sometimes i find all this chat about not eating meat a little surprising...dont get me wrong but i am from india ..never ate any meat,egg sometimes like 15 times in my whole life,and in our family ,our ancestors everyone is/was vegeterian..its just the way of living and eating for us..also my side of family and husband side of family everyone is in perfect weight range ..i am the odd one out....but surely u can live ur life on fruits ,veggies ,grains .rice ..the list goes on...u just have to learn to make combinations in cooking and i can tell u i love my vege terian food, never think once that something delicious is missing in my life....
  33009774
July 25, 2013 10:53 PM
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Definitely give it a shot. Even just consuming less meat (especially red and pork) is not necessarily a bad thing.


WTF??? Pork is one of the best meats to eat. Fish, Chicken and Pork FTW!!!!!!! Now red meat, yes you should consume less of that but you don't need to stop eating it, you just need to choose the right cuts.

Pork is in no way one of the best meats to eat. Best tasting? Maybe. And chicken? I'm the vegetarian here, and it seems like I know the healthy meats. Here's an article from 2010 with references:

http://www.draxe.com/why-you-should-avoid-pork/


I try to avoid being snippy, but the comments on that scare me, people will really read one article and stop eating a whole type of food? I didn't see any sources on it, just broad generalizations made with no relevant data. Please back yourself up with a real article, or at the very least don't condemn pork based on the preaching of one man.

To the OP, good luck on your journey!
July 26, 2013 2:26 AM
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Definitely give it a shot. Even just consuming less meat (especially red and pork) is not necessarily a bad thing.


WTF??? Pork is one of the best meats to eat. Fish, Chicken and Pork FTW!!!!!!! Now red meat, yes you should consume less of that but you don't need to stop eating it, you just need to choose the right cuts.

Pork is in no way one of the best meats to eat. Best tasting? Maybe. And chicken? I'm the vegetarian here, and it seems like I know the healthy meats. Here's an article from 2010 with references:

http://www.draxe.com/why-you-should-avoid-pork/


I couldn't get past the first paragraph. If a supposedly logical article has to quote the bible to make its central point, it automatically fails.
  26967075
July 26, 2013 4:43 AM
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really sometimes i find all this chat about not eating meat a little surprising...dont get me wrong but i am from india ..never ate any meat,egg sometimes like 15 times in my whole life,and in our family ,our ancestors everyone is/was vegeterian..its just the way of living and eating for us..also my side of family and husband side of family everyone is in perfect weight range ..i am the odd one out....but surely u can live ur life on fruits ,veggies ,grains .rice ..the list goes on...u just have to learn to make combinations in cooking and i can tell u i love my vege terian food, never think once that something delicious is missing in my life....


Yeah meat in the U.S and other countries like Canada etc are the main focus of meals, and if you don't eat it many people think you're absolutely nuts huh I've been pleasantly surprised at how supportive the majority of people on mfp are to vegetarians/vegans but that's definitely not the norm-other dieting forums I've been on are downright nasty to them (and I noticed this as a meat eater!).
July 26, 2013 5:58 AM
Think about it , and do it. My best friend in the whole world has been a vegetarian for six years (!!), and inspired me to be one. I have been vegetarian for two months now, and i've lost 15-16 lbs just by changing my eating habits. As soon as I avoided fish and meat..the lbs just melt away. The irony is that I've been trying to eat clean since January but didn't lose a pound...but when I became a vegetarian, losing weight has been a easy journey for me :) LESS FAT, LOTS OF FIBER, and to those who say that it's hard to get ur protein have obviously not heard about cheese, eggs, edame, chickpeas, beans ++++ :)

Non-vegetarians are risking their increased chance of getting cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol and obesity ;)
July 26, 2013 6:06 AM
There are many sub-categories of Vegetarian. Not sure where I land but, I stopped eating meat at the beginning of this year and the change was not too hard to incorporate into my life. I am slowly working at reducing diary & eggs. Still a work in progress but the journey has not been as hard as I thought.

As for losing weight. I would put going vegetarian to lose weight in the same category as fad diets. (Atkins, South Beach, etc, etc).
I am sure that any major change in eating habits will result in some form of change. But, if you are not making a lifestyle change, the potential to lose then regain weight is high. My move to drop meat from my diet was after I had lost my excess weight. I have tried to inform myself about food as I lost weight and became active. My recent change is just another stage of this evolution.

If this interests you? I suggest trying in small increments. Start with meatless Mondays for a few weeks. Then look at making all your mid-day meals meat free. There are no rules! You can proceed at a pace that suits your life.

Another thing you may hear is that Vegetarians do not get enough protein. I am 7 months into my meatless experiment and my experience says that this is not valid. Yes, I still eat cheese and eggs. Not much and not often but they are still part of my diet. Currently I weight train, I am about half way through a program to get me ready to run my first marathon and I bike pretty much every day. I have experienced no loss of energy or strength. I have lost some upper body muscle definition but this is a recent change that I attribute to my running program (which is intense). There are lots of plant based proteins in things like beans, lentils, hemp, nuts, seeds, etc. (There does seem to be an issue with B12? I am still reading up on this and have not yet figured it all out. As I still eat some dairy & eggs it has not yet affected me).

How ever you chose to proceed. I wish you well on your journey.
July 26, 2013 6:08 AM
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Non-vegetarians are risking their increased chance of getting cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol and obesity ;)


I'll let my 97-year-old, skinny, heart disease and cancer-free grandmother know she should stop eating meat.
July 26, 2013 6:51 AM
From my own personal experience, I was a pescatarian (eating only fish) for about 2 years, and I did not lose any weight. My roommate at the time was as well and (although she was naturally thin) she didn't lose weight when she started eating that way a few years prior.

When I wasn't eating junk (you can find a lot of vegetarian junk out there too) I did actually feel really good when I wasn't eating meat.

That being said, before my back injury a year ago, I had started eating meat again and was working out / cutting calories and lost 30 lbs. It was really a product of eating healthy, cutting calories, and working out.

If you feel like being a vegetarian or a vegan would inspire you to eat healthier, or you feel strongly about a particular cause, by all means give it a try. You can absolutely eat healthy as a vegetarian. Just remember that cutting out meat alone will not make you drop pounds.

On a side note, just because I eat meat doesn't mean I don't care about animal rights...those videos are awful to watch, but there are ways to humanely get meat.
  32931774
July 26, 2013 7:13 AM
All I gotta say, is do your research before jumping on the band wagon. I tried vegetarian for a week, per requested by a friend who is vegetarian herself. I didn't feel like myself. It's major work and you have to do it for the right reasons, not just to lose weight. Both my friend and my mom only went vegetarian because they didn't really like the taste of meat. Red meat particularly with my mother, she'd eat pork, fish, chicken and turkey instead. She would even cook those more often than steak, which is one of my faves.

Be careful with soy products since you're female. Some recent studies have shown that some soy products actually increase your likelihood to get breast cancer because of the amount of estrogen in them. Also be careful with the sodium.

If you're serious about it, start slow by having a vegetarian or vegan meal/day. Don't cut all meat and animal products all at once. It could make things worse for your body.
  47542008
July 26, 2013 7:22 AM
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Be careful with soy products since you're female. Some recent studies have shown that some soy products actually increase your likelihood to get breast cancer because of the amount of estrogen in them.


This isn't entirely accurate. Do some real research before spouting off.

If you have had BC or at an increased risk, you need to be careful. And even that is debatable. Also, there is no real NEED to eat the fake meats other than convenience. And Quorn products are mushroom based, not soy based, anyway.

It really isn't that difficult to be vegetarian. Vegan is tougher, but lacto-ovo is pretty easy.
July 26, 2013 7:25 AM
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My sister in law is vegan and she has lost a lot of weight by just changing her eatting habits. I figure they make a veggie subsitute for just about everything so I think I will try it.

I don't know if I'll be able to do it on a perminnante basis but it wouldn't be a bad idea to change out meat for veggies right?

You don't lose weight from becoming vegan or vegetarian. Potato chips are vegan. So is coconut ice cream, which has double the calories of regular ice cream.

You have to eat less, no matter what you eat.

I've been vegetarian for four years. Initially, I lost 6 pounds. And then I had to actually work for it.


^^This^^

To be vegetarian/vegan AND healthy, one has to be really careful on not overdoing on carbs and fats to overcompensate for the lack of animal protein.

Remember, you can be omnivore and healthy, omnivore and eating crap, vegetarian/vegan and healthy or vegetarian/vegan and eating crap. There is no magic formula.
July 26, 2013 7:26 AM
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Be careful with soy products since you're female. Some recent studies have shown that some soy products actually increase your likelihood to get breast cancer because of the amount of estrogen in them.


This isn't entirely accurate. Do some real research before spouting off.



Excuse me for having wrong information then. Was there really a need to bite someone's head off over it?
  47542008
July 26, 2013 7:27 AM
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Be careful with soy products since you're female. Some recent studies have shown that some soy products actually increase your likelihood to get breast cancer because of the amount of estrogen in them.


This isn't entirely accurate. Do some real research before spouting off.



Excuse me for having wrong information then. Was there really a need to bite someone's head off over it?

Well, was there a need to scare people over something you don't understand?
July 26, 2013 7:32 AM
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Be careful with soy products since you're female. Some recent studies have shown that some soy products actually increase your likelihood to get breast cancer because of the amount of estrogen in them.


This isn't entirely accurate. Do some real research before spouting off.



Excuse me for having wrong information then. Was there really a need to bite someone's head off over it?

Well, was there a need to scare people over something you don't understand?


Is there a reason that you still feel the need to tell me I'm an idiot and bite my head off? I apologize that my information was incorrect. My intention was not to scare anyone. From what I have read and heard some soy products, like tofu do have a higher amount of estrogen and is linked to that increase in breast cancer. If that's wrong, then I'll humble accept that I was incorrect.

Is there anyone else that wishes to tell me I'm an idiot? Anyone? It's not like you'll hurt anything. I'm just a dumb early 20's female that knows nothing of the world.
Edited by AEMW8 On July 26, 2013 7:56 AM
  47542008
July 26, 2013 8:25 AM
dude, you have to finish the article. its hilarious....and then read (enjoy) the comment section. Priceless.

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