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June 27, 2013 10:04 AM
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I'm confused... so if I want to have myfitnesspal, run keeper, and fitbit sync together, I need to have what sync with what? Should each account be connected to each other? Do I want fitbit connected to runkeeper and MFP, and MFP connected to Runkeeper? And where do I log the activity?


Unfortunately, we're all a little confused right now. :)

That's really what we're trying to figure out. I've currently got MFP linked to RunKeeper and Fitbit, and I've got RunKeeper linked to Fitbit.

It looks like that's working because RunKeeper doesn't send any specific exercise data to Fitbit ... BUT, when MFP sends the activity that it gets from RunKeeper to Fitbit, it's sending the wrong start time (or Fitbit's incorrectly interpreting the start time). Because of that, the activities don't match up and the estimated calorie burn is, effectively, being duplicated.

As a temporary "fix" I have to go into Fitbit and adjust the activity start time manually.
  1897001
June 27, 2013 10:32 AM
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I'm confused... so if I want to have myfitnesspal, run keeper, and fitbit sync together, I need to have what sync with what? Should each account be connected to each other? Do I want fitbit connected to runkeeper and MFP, and MFP connected to Runkeeper? And where do I log the activity?


Unfortunately, we're all a little confused right now. :)

That's really what we're trying to figure out. I've currently got MFP linked to RunKeeper and Fitbit, and I've got RunKeeper linked to Fitbit.

It looks like that's working because RunKeeper doesn't send any specific exercise data to Fitbit ... BUT, when MFP sends the activity that it gets from RunKeeper to Fitbit, it's sending the wrong start time (or Fitbit's incorrectly interpreting the start time). Because of that, the activities don't match up and the estimated calorie burn is, effectively, being duplicated.

As a temporary "fix" I have to go into Fitbit and adjust the activity start time manually.


lol... well I'm glad I'm not alone. Thank you for the explanation. So basically you are logging the activity in runkeeper, and then adjusting the time in fitbit after it has synced?
June 27, 2013 10:41 AM
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So basically you are logging the activity in runkeeper, and then adjusting the time in fitbit after it has synced?


Yep. For now. :)
  1897001
June 27, 2013 10:58 AM
I've no idea what just happened! All of a sudden I've gone up to 935 calories from exercise on FitBit. Only an hour ago it was under 300 and since then I've sat and eaten my dinner and wandered around the kitchen a bit. I have activities on FitBit totalling 552 calories today (cycling plus walking) and I'm at over 13,000 steps but all the same, where on earth have they just appeared from? I don't trust them and won't be eating them all but have no idea what to eat now!
  25484713
June 27, 2013 1:30 PM
Double checked the entries on FitBit again and Runkeeper again and found that if things don't match exactly between the two then the calories aren't right. Runkeeper had my walk down as 45 minutes dead which must have been rounded. FitBit thought it was 45 minutes 36 seconds and so both appeared as separate activities. Once corrected I ended up on -12 calories which is so frustrating as I've never been over before and I started in July 2012.

I'm contemplating stopping the link as nobody from MFP is even responding to this thread!
  25484713
June 27, 2013 2:20 PM
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Double checked the entries on FitBit again and Runkeeper again and found that if things don't match exactly between the two then the calories aren't right. Runkeeper had my walk down as 45 minutes dead which must have been rounded. FitBit thought it was 45 minutes 36 seconds and so both appeared as separate activities. Once corrected I ended up on -12 calories which is so frustrating as I've never been over before and I started in July 2012.

I'm contemplating stopping the link as nobody from MFP is even responding to this thread!


Yeah, if that's the case, and even slight differences result in Fitbit adding the activity instead of integrating it, then ... yeah ... bad news. Having all three linked isn't going to work.

I'd like to have both RunKeeper and Fitbit linked to MFP (even if I don't link Fitbit to RunKeeper) but what you're describing means that we can't realistically use all three together.

Hopefully MFP jumps back into the discussion w/ some insight & advice. :)
  1897001
July 3, 2013 3:59 AM
I have RK linked to Fitbit, FB linked to MFP and have just linked RK to MFP, so they're all linked to each other and, I don't think it's duplicating.

I went for a walk, which RK gave me 255 calories for. I just got a MFP activity from RK to the tune of 249 calories and zero calorie adjustment from fitbit, which used to give me 131 calories or so for the walk. I have negative calorie adjustment turned off, by the way, because I have a fitbit zip, which does not count steps. My daily walk has 250ft of elevation, which fitbit has no idea about.

So, I only got the calories that RK calculated with no extra from fitbit. I guess I just got lucky on the times?
Edited by jetlag On July 3, 2013 4:01 AM
  2652893
July 3, 2013 6:40 AM
Apart from some data discrepancies, I haven't seen any duplication with all three of them linked.

I have noticed that activity distance and duration tend to get rounded as they go from RK -> MFP -> FB (which is annoying, but not a huge deal I guess) and I have to fix the start time in FB every time an activity syncs.

The start time bug is pretty serious -- it effectively duplicates the FB calorie adjustment credit for every activity entered -- so hopefully they fix that soon.
  1897001
July 3, 2013 10:15 PM
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I'm confused... so if I want to have myfitnesspal, run keeper, and fitbit sync together, I need to have what sync with what? Should each account be connected to each other? Do I want fitbit connected to runkeeper and MFP, and MFP connected to Runkeeper? And where do I log the activity?


Am soo glad it's not just me. I just bought the Fitbit Flex today and the entire thing has got me flummoxed. I figured to search for RunKeeper with Fitbit to see if there was a simple explanation of how to log things....found the thread but oh man, not simple, lol. noway

I'm only using MFP to log food, and so far entering work out info (treadmill so far) into RunKeeper only but no clue if that's what I'm supposed to do to track my steps etc.

Hopefully someone will have a simple/easy to follow & understand way to get all the ducks lined up in a row.
Edited by airangel59 On July 3, 2013 10:16 PM
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July 3, 2013 10:49 PM
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Apart from some data discrepancies, I haven't seen any duplication with all three of them linked.

I have noticed that activity distance and duration tend to get rounded as they go from RK -> MFP -> FB (which is annoying, but not a huge deal I guess) and I have to fix the start time in FB every time an activity syncs.

The start time bug is pretty serious -- it effectively duplicates the FB calorie adjustment credit for every activity entered -- so hopefully they fix that soon.


Out of curiosity, are the time on your FB and RK device the same?
  2652893
July 3, 2013 11:01 PM
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QUOTE:

I'm confused... so if I want to have myfitnesspal, run keeper, and fitbit sync together, I need to have what sync with what? Should each account be connected to each other? Do I want fitbit connected to runkeeper and MFP, and MFP connected to Runkeeper? And where do I log the activity?


Am soo glad it's not just me. I just bought the Fitbit Flex today and the entire thing has got me flummoxed. I figured to search for RunKeeper with Fitbit to see if there was a simple explanation of how to log things....found the thread but oh man, not simple, lol. noway

I'm only using MFP to log food, and so far entering work out info (treadmill so far) into RunKeeper only but no clue if that's what I'm supposed to do to track my steps etc.

Hopefully someone will have a simple/easy to follow & understand way to get all the ducks lined up in a row.


I have all 3 apps linked to each other. I enter food in MFP, because the uk food list in FB is rubbish. I suspect it was in MFP too at some point lol

I use Runkeeper to track all my activity, even walking, because I go for two dog walks a day on hilly terrain and my fitbit zip doesn't count stairs/elevation changes. I have turned fitbit's negative calorie adjustments off, despite the fact I think that RK might be giving more calories than I deserve (RK:249 vs FB 131), because FB would just take them all away, not just some of them. But I don't eat my exercise calories anyway, and aim for 1800 a day.

If you do eat your exercise cals, you might want to have the negative adjustment on, so you know it's always underestimating.
  2652893
July 3, 2013 11:15 PM
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Out of curiosity, are the time on your FB and RK device the same?

There are probably 10 topics with people reporting this same issue. The data comes across at GMT irrespective of which time zone you are actually on. For some people this means that it comes through on the wrong day completely which is a problem if you do use the FitBit adjustment.

MFP have locked this related topic and say " We believe the fix we put in place should rectify the start times being off when exercises move over to MyFitnessPal". I'm just off for a walk to let's see whether I'm walking in the future when I get back!

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1034339-runkeeper
  25484713
July 6, 2013 5:15 PM
I have the same situation. Aside from the fact that the Runkeeper activities show up hours later in MFP, it seems to work well. Manual adjustment is a possibility but that sort of defeats the purpose of having it automatically sync.

The strangest thing I've noticed is that while the Runkeeper data was consistently showing up precisely 8 hours later, it is now showing up precisely 4 hours late.

Obviously the first thing I checked was the timezone settings in all 3 places but they all are set correctly so this is a strange bug...

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Correction: the Runkeeper activity actually showed up the usual 8 hours late in Fitbit, but was only 4 hours late in MFP. this is perhaps stranger....
Edited by djsplice On July 6, 2013 5:22 PM
July 6, 2013 5:27 PM
Me agin..Got a Flex and had already integrated Runkeeper to my MFP account. I AM getting duplicate calorie count...I'm ONLY inputting data into Runkeeper (today half hour treadmill for 314 calories) but on my MFP food diary I see *You've earned 247 extra calories from exercise today .

I like to document the workout stats in Runkeeper....but hate to be seeing extra unearned calories. I'm wondering should I NOT log ANYTHING into Runkeeper? Am confused......
Edited by airangel59 On July 6, 2013 5:28 PM
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July 7, 2013 6:59 AM
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Me agin..Got a Flex and had already integrated Runkeeper to my MFP account. I AM getting duplicate calorie count...I'm ONLY inputting data into Runkeeper (today half hour treadmill for 314 calories) but on my MFP food diary I see *You've earned 247 extra calories from exercise today .

I like to document the workout stats in Runkeeper....but hate to be seeing extra unearned calories. I'm wondering should I NOT log ANYTHING into Runkeeper? Am confused......


I've logged a support request with MFP regarding activity start time discrepancies between RK, MFP, and FB (FitBit). Right now, if I enter a RK activity, it syncs to MFP with a different start time, and then syncs to FB with yet another start time. That results in an incorrect (too high) calorie adjustment.

The request was escalated to the developers yesterday, although hopefully they're not working over the holiday weekend. :-)

In the interim, you can fix things by double-checking and correcting your activity start times in MFP and/or Fitbit to make sure they match what RK recorded.
  1897001
July 8, 2013 2:27 AM
Folks,

This is what I have worked out so far and it my be your problem too...

I have three way sync setup between MFP, Fitbit and RunKeeper.

I only log my activities in to RunKeeper. I don't enter anything activities in to Fitbit or MFP. I only enter my food and water into MFP. Fitbit and Runkeeper syncing has never copied any activities in to Fitbit for me!

I am in Australia and the time difference is what I always suspect when scyning doesn't work for me. On further inspection I have discovered that the activities are not synced properly with correct times (sometime even dates go wrong - with my GMT+10 time difference, it is easy to go back or forth a day).

Here is what I do to get around the problem...

1) I log my activity into RunKeeper.

2) My activity gets pushed down to MFP.

3) I try to find it in MFP and edit its time to match what is in RunKeeper. My late evening or afternoon workouts sometimes get copied to the next day! Yes, it is a bit of pain I have to copy them back to the correct day.

4) I then go to Fitbit and find the activity that has just been copied from MFP in to Fitbit. I also correct the time of that one - yes that is wrong as well.

5) I wait a few minutes for Fitbit to correct the total calories and to push it down to MFP.

6) I go back to MFP to make sure my exercise calories (burnt) showing correctly and are not doubling up. If not then the time is wrong somewhere and go all over again and wait a few minutes.

Hope this helps you out and MFP folks can get an idea where the problem might be. Because frankly the above is not sustainable. I am going to give up doing it soon.
  7153918
July 8, 2013 3:26 AM
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Folks,

This is what I have worked out so far and it my be your problem too...

I have three way sync setup between MFP, Fitbit and RunKeeper.

I only log my activities in to RunKeeper. I don't enter anything activities in to Fitbit or MFP. I only enter my food and water into MFP. Fitbit and Runkeeper syncing has never copied any activities in to Fitbit for me!

I am in Australia and the time difference is what I always suspect when scyning doesn't work for me. On further inspection I have discovered that the activities are not synced properly with correct times (sometime even dates go wrong - with my GMT+10 time difference, it is easy to go back or forth a day).

Here is what I do to get around the problem...

1) I log my activity into RunKeeper.

2) My activity gets pushed down to MFP.

3) I try to find it in MFP and edit its time to match what is in RunKeeper. My late evening or afternoon workouts sometimes get copied to the next day! Yes, it is a bit of pain I have to copy them back to the correct day.

4) I then go to Fitbit and find the activity that has just been copied from MFP in to Fitbit. I also correct the time of that one - yes that is wrong as well.

5) I wait a few minutes for Fitbit to correct the total calories and to push it down to MFP.

6) I go back to MFP to make sure my exercise calories (burnt) showing correctly and are not doubling up. If not then the time is wrong somewhere and go all over again and wait a few minutes.

Hope this helps you out and MFP folks can get an idea where the problem might be. Because frankly the above is not sustainable. I am going to give up doing it soon.



+1 im in australia too and this is EXTREMELY frustrating especially when working out daily after 6pm. Everything get logged to the next day and totally messes up
July 8, 2013 6:26 AM
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QUOTE:

This is what I have worked out so far and it my be your problem too...


+1 im in australia too and this is EXTREMELY frustrating especially when working out daily after 6pm. Everything get logged to the next day and totally messes up


Yep... That process is exactly what I do to set things straight. Log to RK, fix in MFP, fix in Fitbit, wait for a final sync. Good times.

And yeah... if you get hit with a day change in the middle of all that, it's even worse. :(
  1897001
July 9, 2013 5:22 AM
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I've logged a support request with MFP regarding activity start time discrepancies between RK, MFP, and FB (FitBit). Right now, if I enter a RK activity, it syncs to MFP with a different start time, and then syncs to FB with yet another start time. That results in an incorrect (too high) calorie adjustment.

The request was escalated to the developers yesterday, although hopefully they're not working over the holiday weekend. :-)

In the interim, you can fix things by double-checking and correcting your activity start times in MFP and/or Fitbit to make sure they match what RK recorded.


Got an update this morning that they're investigating. I suspect the timeline / site slowness was a priority, which is understandable. :)
  1897001
July 11, 2013 11:18 AM
I've tried to figure out the best way to write this without confusing everyone but here's my new approach that I'm going with:

Account linkages
1. MFP to FB
2. RK to FB

Data Inputs
1. MFP: food, water, weight, auto correction from FB
2. FB: auto entries from fitbit, manual entries from workouts including RK
3. RK: auto entries from runs, auto weight entries from FB

I've read that data only flows one way between RK and FB. FB sends RK info, but not the other way. I think this might be the best approach without doing a bunch of manual corrections on timestamps, etc. until an automatic solve is in place.
July 11, 2013 5:52 PM
You're correct about the on way flow of info from FB to RK. But you can use Syncmetrics as a workaround.
So here's my setup:
Log my cardio in RK --> push to FB via SyncMetrics --> FB linked to MFP
Do not link RK and MFP directly in this setup to avoid the duplication issue.
Works like a charm for me. No manual adjustment required.
July 13, 2013 1:29 AM
Just wanted to say thanks for this thread, just got myself a fitbit and using runkeeper/MFP so this helped immensely in setting it up so no activity duplication (I've used the syncmetrics approach that dipatrio posted).
July 21, 2013 2:31 PM
Do you know how often SyncMetrics receives data from Runkeeper? I just linked them, I've updated RK, but still have not seen anything populate over to SM?
Edited by mizmgmt On July 21, 2013 2:31 PM
July 22, 2013 10:18 AM
I've been struggling with this for days now. I'm going to try it and let you know how it works.smile
July 22, 2013 11:08 AM
I am new to all of this so excuse me if this is a stupid question. Doesn't Fitbit track running? What is the advantage of having Runkeeper push to Fitbit and then Fitbit push to MFP? Isn't the information going to be the same in Runkeeper and Fitbit if all it is tracking is running?

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