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June 6, 2013 5:19 PM
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you should use splenda, then you wont have to think about the calories cause there arent any.


ShockHorror--- but the cancer, Jules, the cancer!
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June 6, 2013 5:19 PM
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Legitimate question here, OP: how do you log the calorie count on prepackaged food, should you choose to eat it? I ask because those listed calories are estimates, and suggestions in-thread that you estimate would lead one to believe that "estimating" is insufficiently exact for your personal peace of mind.


you're assuming I'm nit-picking calories, which I'm not.
estimates are great, but the point of one is that you are in the right ballpark.

I'm not quibbling over 5 calories, I'm quibbling over several hundred per serving.
June 6, 2013 5:20 PM
Pour the sugar solution back into something and evaporate the water, then weigh the remaining sugar. Or you could build a calorimeter and burn the remaining sauce to see how much energy it contained.
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June 6, 2013 5:21 PM
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Pour the sugar solution back into something and evaporate the water, then weigh the remaining sugar. Or you could build a calorimeter and burn the remaining sauce to see how much energy it contained.


I would have to go with this method. It's the most accurate so far.
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June 6, 2013 5:22 PM
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June 6, 2013 5:22 PM
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when it comes to cucumber salad, the marinade far outweighs the cucumbers both in calories and in volume.
there's like 2 cups of liquid and maybe 1/2 of cucumber and the sugar alone is 200 calories, whereas the cucumber is like 30.


200 calories of sugar for 1/2 a cucumber? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but this seems crazy!


*sighs*
the entire reason i started the thread in the first place is you don't actually consume the liquid with the sugar in it.
June 6, 2013 5:23 PM
NVM
Edited by ILiftHeavyAcrylics On June 6, 2013 5:23 PM
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June 6, 2013 5:23 PM
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Pour the sugar solution back into something and evaporate the water, then weigh the remaining sugar. Or you could build a calorimeter and burn the remaining sauce to see how much energy it contained.


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June 6, 2013 5:25 PM
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so maybe this is a stupid question, but I'm a bit stumped as to how to gauge the calorie content for foods with a lot of liquid.

and no, I don't mean soups etc, I mean foods in which you do not consume the liquid.

for example, bean salad.
I don't eat or drink the liquid, so If i weigh it, should I weigh it after and subtract the liquid weight? Or is this already done in the calorie counters?

or even better, marinated cucumber salad.
I make my own, with a large cucumber, onions, vinegar, and sugar.
Now I'm sure someone will say "add it to the recipe counter"

but no, If you add it as a recipe you are counting the huge amount of calories for the 1/4 cup sugar that goes in.
sure, some of that you consume, so you cannot log the salad as a cucumber, but surely you don't consume the entire caloric value of the sugar if you throw out all the liquid after eating the cucumber.

does this make sense to anyone?

has anyone found a solution to it?

thanks!


This is why as a rule I log the ingredients and not the end product.
It is a lot more accurate imo to log 1 cucumber of so-and-so many grams, a certain amount of chopped onion, a spoonful or two of vinegar or lime juice, 1/4 cup of plain yogurt etc.
If I make a lot and eat tomorrow from the same batch I put down " left overs, calories already counted ", or if it is the kind of food I can accurately weight or measure then I do that. So far for me it works for me to just post the ingredient.


thanks, but does not solve my dilemma.
if I log the 1/4 cup sugar that goes into the marinade that's 194 calories.
I'm not actually CONSUMING them, only SOME of them.

I want to know HOW to determine what is actually consumed.


I suggest lab tests.
Seriously. They will be able to tell you exactly how many grams of sugar are left in your salad once you get rid of the excess marinade.
Us poor MFP people don't have the means to do so, and I profusely apologize for our inability to tell you exactly how much sugar you are ingesting.

In fact, I am so ashamed and disappointed in our lack of knowledge that I am going to start a thread and try to raise funds for the labs tests, sugar be damned!
June 6, 2013 5:27 PM

*sighs*
the entire reason i started the thread in the first place is you don't actually consume the liquid with the sugar in it.


I love to marinate and cook. I find that the food absorbs all the great flavor in the marinade/rub and makes the meat//vegetables taste more tender and flavorful. I would also say that with only half a cucumber, there would be quite a bit of sugar "absorbed" into the cucumber.

I really am not a food scientist so I truly do not know, it just honestly seems strange to me. Lets just put it this way, if for some reason I made your recipe to consume, i would log it all unless I rinsed off the salad before eating it.
Edited by notyouraveragetalia On June 6, 2013 5:28 PM
June 6, 2013 5:27 PM
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What I do when I marinate chicken is to put the marinade in the recipe builder and then weigh it before I put the chicken in, and again after. As far as the number of servings I go by 1 serving as 100 grams. So if it makes 153 grams I put in that it makes 1.53 servings. Then if I weigh it and discover that I only used 102 grams and threw out the other 51, I can just enter 1.02 servings.


I'm going to apologize again for the butthurt I caused you on this post!
I actually mis-read your reply and thought you entered all ingredients including the chicken in the recipe builder, then weighed the leftovers and did the math.

My bad!

I would link the lovely cookie gif back to you, but my talents don't extend that far!
June 6, 2013 5:29 PM
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Legitimate question here, OP: how do you log the calorie count on prepackaged food, should you choose to eat it? I ask because those listed calories are estimates, and suggestions in-thread that you estimate would lead one to believe that "estimating" is insufficiently exact for your personal peace of mind.


you're assuming I'm nit-picking calories, which I'm not.
estimates are great, but the point of one is that you are in the right ballpark.

I'm not quibbling over 5 calories, I'm quibbling over several hundred per serving.
Why would your informed estimate, based on knowledge of the ingredient list, lead you to be off by "several hundred [calories] per serving?" I do not understand why the math would lead you that far astray.
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June 6, 2013 5:30 PM
I'd make a topic of how to make cucumbers without 15 tons of sugar. But that's just me (feeling sorry for your poor sugared cucumbers)....
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June 6, 2013 5:31 PM
Calorimeters are cool!

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June 6, 2013 5:31 PM
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What I do when I marinate chicken is to put the marinade in the recipe builder and then weigh it before I put the chicken in, and again after. As far as the number of servings I go by 1 serving as 100 grams. So if it makes 153 grams I put in that it makes 1.53 servings. Then if I weigh it and discover that I only used 102 grams and threw out the other 51, I can just enter 1.02 servings.


I'm going to apologize again for the butthurt I caused you on this post!
I actually mis-read your reply and thought you entered all ingredients including the chicken in the recipe builder, then weighed the leftovers and did the math.

My bad!

I would link the lovely cookie gif back to you, but my talents don't extend that far!


laugh I'm not really butthurt, just messing with you. It takes a bit more than that to get me riled up.

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June 6, 2013 5:32 PM
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I love overcomplicating my food.


^This! yowza!!!
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June 6, 2013 5:32 PM
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Calorimeters are cool!

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And now you're my favorite. ETA: Sorry, I'm out of food gifs.
Edited by ILiftHeavyAcrylics On June 6, 2013 5:35 PM
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June 6, 2013 5:33 PM
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June 6, 2013 5:34 PM
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Legitimate question here, OP: how do you log the calorie count on prepackaged food, should you choose to eat it? I ask because those listed calories are estimates, and suggestions in-thread that you estimate would lead one to believe that "estimating" is insufficiently exact for your personal peace of mind.


you're assuming I'm nit-picking calories, which I'm not.
estimates are great, but the point of one is that you are in the right ballpark.

I'm not quibbling over 5 calories, I'm quibbling over several hundred per serving.
Why would your informed estimate, based on knowledge of the ingredient list, lead you to be off by "several hundred [calories] per serving?" I do not understand why the math would lead you that far astray.


because I do not know how much of the sugar (which is the high-calorie component of the recipe) is consumed.
In terms of calorie content, the sugar is huge, but in terms of volume as eaten, you are mostly consuming the cucumbers (which are relatively low cal)
I started the thread looking for suggestions on how to guesstimate this, and a few people have given me good ideas (thanks!)
June 6, 2013 5:36 PM
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I'd make a topic of how to make cucumbers without 15 tons of sugar. But that's just me (feeling sorry for your poor sugared cucumbers)....


and this is why cucumber salad doesn't even exist in the database...
June 6, 2013 5:48 PM
I don't have anything to add - sounds like you've got workable solutions there already - but I do want to sympathise. I'd really like to know the nutritional values of my homemade stock for instance, not just calories but if it's a stock made from meat bones, which it usually is, then it's probably got a significant protein count (good for my macros) and if was a ham bone then there's probably significant sodium (bad for my macros).

I do like to count my calories to the most accurate estimate I can reasonably manage, and I work to my macros too although not obsessively. I feel I end up having to just guess entries quite a lot anyway (eating things other people have home-cooked, or in restaurants which don't give nutritional info) so when it's my home prepared food and under my control I tend to want to know how to log it.

So good for you!
June 6, 2013 5:51 PM
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Pour the sugar solution back into something and evaporate the water, then weigh the remaining sugar. Or you could build a calorimeter and burn the remaining sauce to see how much energy it contained.


BAM!!! Calories counted!
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June 6, 2013 5:56 PM
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I don't have anything to add - sounds like you've got workable solutions there already - but I do want to sympathise. I'd really like to know the nutritional values of my homemade stock for instance, not just calories but if it's a stock made from meat bones, which it usually is, then it's probably got a significant protein count (good for my macros) and if was a ham bone then there's probably significant sodium (bad for my macros).

I do like to count my calories to the most accurate estimate I can reasonably manage, and I work to my macros too although not obsessively. I feel I end up having to just guess entries quite a lot anyway (eating things other people have home-cooked, or in restaurants which don't give nutritional info) so when it's my home prepared food and under my control I tend to want to know how to log it.

So good for you!


thank you!
I guesstimate quite a lot, but with summer coming I really do eat a lot of salads, and the marinated ones perplex me because so much is leftover. If it was a one portion thing I would not worry.

I did get some great suggestions which had not occured to me (and which I will employ). for that I am grateful, though I did not expect the ****storm my post (and replies!) caused!
June 6, 2013 5:57 PM
Kudos to you for trying to be so accurate.

Personally I have never even thought about absorption of calories into something and calories left over in the liquid. I wouldn't even bother trying to work out the calories to that degree of accuracy.

I log the whole recipe and eat the amount that fits my calorie goal, if I go over by a hundred cals I am still at a slight deficit and if I overestimate how many calories I am consuming I will be at a slightly greater deficit so all good.

<Skips off to do something that doesn't involve math>
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June 6, 2013 5:58 PM
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Don't I get a cookie for explaining it better?? HAHA! j/k


Nope you stole my thunder. angry


laugh Just kidding. Swirling chocolate for you.



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Thank you!, and I'm not logging this!
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Edited by AleciaG724 On June 6, 2013 6:00 PM
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